9/11 Debate

[Thryleon]

Problem is it would take a lot more than 3 to carry out the events of 9/11

The official explanation of events says you only need 4 that are extremely well co-ordinated. 

Then a random passport found for good measure.

A simpler answer would be that they're not sure who did it, but they would never admit that publically which ratifies the opinion that the official version of events are dubious.

See how this works?  This is where the conspiracy theories come from.

Its all very easily explained by incompetence and poor communication but invariably never admitted to because politicians never get it wrong. 

[LP]

[member=153]LP[/member] ... it's evenly distributed given the weight / strength /width of the the pivot points to the fuselage tapering to the wing tips .. and the bladders holding the fuel.

Governed by the jet engine placements underwing.

But the closest point of failure (very generally) is at the fuselage connection or the engine failure regardless of their distance between fuselage and tip. 

Thanks [member=827]capcom[/member]

So that makes sense, from that I presume weight is generally/basically roughly evenly distributed either side of the engine mount position.

For my own reference, when fuel is consumed, does it come out of all bladders proportionally, or are they drained in a specific sequence? I presume this has to be controlled, so that in banking manoeuvres you do not get drastic changes in plane behaviour subject to fuel load.

I must admit, when I thought about it I was surprised just how much of a modern plane MTOW goes in fuel, they are basically flying fuel tanks with some room here and there for a bit of something else.

Cynics, sceptics and conspiracists make a big deal about the wings being mostly fluid, but anyone who has jumped off the high diving board knows exactly how hard liquid can be when you hit it, imagine doing that at 550MPH! Can you imagine throwing a full 30,000 litre water tank at a house or building at 550 MPH? (FYI; Human free fall terminal velocity is only about 120 MPH at the most, high dives are roughly half that!) :o

[flyboy77]

The official explanation of events says you only need 4 that are extremely well co-ordinated. 

Then a random passport found for good measure.

A simpler answer would be that they're not sure who did it, but they would never admit that publically which ratifies the opinion that the official version of events are dubious.

See how this works?  This is where the conspiracy theories come from.

Its all very easily explained by incompetence and poor communication but invariably never admitted to because politicians never get it wrong. 

The North eastern corridor in the US is probably the most heavily militarised air space in the world, without exception.

On that day 2, 3 or 4 commercial jet liners flew way off their designated respective courses, for up to 45 minutes and not one jet popped up alongside and said 'hello, wtf...."?

An F15 can fly at 2500km/hr+ and there are air bases dotted all along the eastern seaboard and inland of the coast.

Then there's the 270 degree turn (with triple reverse pike ) required by whatever smacked into the Pentagon.....

Too funny.

[capcom]

[member=153]LP[/member] The Centre belly tank (fuselage) is always used first, both for safety and then the wings as they are designed to compensate for that loss and wing flex in flight.

The fully loaded wings in any event, can support the entire fuselage, belly tank, pax, cargo etc.  Wings generally hold 70% of the entire fuel load.

Burning that centre tank first, in turn, reduces strain on the wing roots though less wind bending movement.

[capcom]

9:37:46 A.M.: Flight 77 crashes into The Pentagon.

9:25:46 A.M.: Dept of Transportation grounded all civil aircraft.

Roger that?

[LP]

Then there's the 270 degree turn (with triple reverse pike ) required by whatever smacked into the Pentagon.....

 I thought they were fly-by-wire, ie attached to a string and only flying in circles! ;D

[Gointocarlton]

The official explanation of events says you only need 4 that are extremely well co-ordinated. 

Then a random passport found for good measure.

A simpler answer would be that they're not sure who did it, but they would never admit that publically which ratifies the opinion that the official version of events are dubious.

See how this works?  This is where the conspiracy theories come from.

Its all very easily explained by incompetence and poor communication but invariably never admitted to because politicians never get it wrong. 

Officially there were 19 terrorists.

[kruddler]

Ironic, given it's the conspiracy nutters generate the vast bulk of the lies, doctor videos, publish deep fakes, etc., etc..!

They see themselves as whistle-blowers, when they are really crying wolf!

Firstly, in the story, the boy who cried wolf, you might remember, there was actually a wolf....and nobody noticed because they were too busy ignoring him because of previous experiences.

How many times do you want to lump everyone in the same group? It does your arguments damage.
That like calling you a Collingwood supporter.....well its all football isn't it.

[Mav]

Oh Karen, Karen, Karen ...

[tonyo]

Go to any bar in Loserville USA and you are bound to find a number of Government Conspiracy 'Specialists' who have often very sophisticated and intricate tales about how the Government is trying to destroy its own people in order to satisfy their evil plans (I've heard quite a few stories....).  Any nasty event can be turned into a Government-sponsored attack, and there are any number of 'experts' who will testify to that fact.  For example, there's truckloads of these experts standing outside the Texas School Book Repository on a daily basis who all know who actually shot JFK (on a local note, wasn't Harold Holt picked up by a Chinese Submarine....?). 

The root cause behind the 'Good Ol' Boys' need to sprout conspiracies is generally the justification to maintain their right to keep vast quantities of high powered armaments in their suburban homes so they are prepared in case the Government comes calling.

The Internet has given them an even more potent method to add credence to these stories, and it turns all manner of nuff-nuffs into experts all of a sudden. 

Just remember, everyone has an agenda, conspiracy theorists included.  We are all entitled to believe what we like, but please don't try to convince me that a whole bunch of websites represents actual proof.