9/11 Debate

[Mav]

You're forgetting about a major scientific truism: sheet happens!

[Gointocarlton]

Which is exactly what the articles said.
It COULD be this.
It COULD be that.
You've taken an uncertainty and morphed it into a certainty......

OK, it wasn't disproven, but it was suggested it was highly unlikely.
You know what else fits that bill? A controlled demolition.

Its funny how you don't see that you are doing the same thing you accuse me of.

So what's the reason behind the controlled demolition?

[kruddler]

So what's the reason behind the controlled demolition?

Ask different people, get different answers.

The most logical one, should you go down that path, is the false flag theory.

eg....We want to invade someone, so lets pin something so disastrous on them that we will get the full backing by our people.
If people are scared, they will do what we tell them to do.
Essentially, its PR spin.....but on the biggest scale.

The father of PR is Edward Burnayse. Look into some of the stuff he could do by spinning a few lies here and there. You may have heard of the banana republic.....look into that. Burnayse was able to literally overthrow a government, simply to sell more bananas.
The Nazis actually credited him directly with showing them the way to use propaganda to get the public onside with them (initially, not by the end of it all obviously).

Who got blamed for 9/11. Where was he from? Who got invaded?

Americas biggest business is war. Getting the public onside with war keeps that country running smoothly and allows them to bully the rest of the world, while making out they are the good guys....they are just fighting terrorists after all. Its got nothing to do with oil....honestly.  :-[

[kruddler]

So what's the reason behind the controlled demolition?

Alternatively, maybe its not false flag.
Maybe the tower was indeed going to come down. Maybe they did it themselves to ensure minimum casualties.

[kruddler]

re false flag...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Yes its wikipaedia but it has a picture of the actual document as well as a brief explanation on what its about.

There are others. It does occur.

[Gointocarlton]

Months to clear, steel was on the boat to china within days, and weeks.

I don't care about passenger passports. I'm talking about the hijackers passports. THEY were found....amongst over 200 floors of rubble, looking nice and clean with only the slightest blemishes on them.
So the fire is hot enough to deform metal to the point of collapse....but those passports....THEY are indestructable!!!

So youre suggesting all four passports were found at the WTC? I don't believe that's correct.

[capcom]

They found the ringleader's baggage (mohammed atta) in Boston .... it never made it on to the connecting jet.  His passport was inside.

[capcom]

So youre suggesting all four passports were found at the WTC? I don't believe that's correct.

It isn't GTC ... see above

[kruddler]

So youre suggesting all four passports were found at the WTC? I don't believe that's correct.

No, there was 4 that were found in total. 1 was from flight 11, that hit WTC.

Passports recovered
According to testimony by Susan Ginsberg, a staff member of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks upon the United States, in the January 26, 2004, Public Hearing:

Four of the hijackers' passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari.
In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. These passports were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.
WTC site
The passport of hijacker Satam al-Suqami was found a few blocks from the World Trade Center.[8][9]

Flight 93
According to the 9/11 Commission, the passports of two of the Flight 93 hijackers were also found intact in the aircraft's debris field.[10]

Oh hey.....you dropped this. It might be important.  :o

Ummm.....sounds legit.

[kruddler]

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-sat...port.2788/


Survived fires that brought down a 110 story building.