CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

Note to LP, we live in Australia.

If someone doubts the vaccines work, isn't that a valid example regardless of where you live?

[LP]

To be clear, they only way it will be around and for it spread here, we first need to let it into the country correct? That is, returned travelers, sports people, airline staff etc.

At this stage the virus is endemic, that is why they are finding live Sars-CoV-2 virus in sewerage water sampling in every Australian state. It is now in the "pretty much likely to be permanently in the environment we live in" category, it is not extinct and it is not "dead"!

Things could get bad quickly if it again goes zoonotic, assuming it was zoonotic previously.
(I think that debate is well and truly settled, even if we can't call it the China Bat Virus for political reasons.)

[PaulP]

At this stage the virus is endemic, that is why they are finding live Sars-CoV-2 virus in sewerage water sampling in every Australian state. It is now in the pretty much likely to be permanently in the environment we live in, it is not extinct and it is not "dead"!

Things could get bad quickly if it again goes zoonotic, assuming it was zoonotic previously.

Yes, this is a tricky time - when people start to get complacent, thinking that the worst is behind us.

[LP]

An associate I know who field services equipment for the water authorities got a chill the other night, he stood at dusk watching bats on the wing scoop water or bugs off the top of one of the local sewerage ponds. For him the connection was obvious, while some in bureaucracy still ponder how they are finding COVID-19 at widely dispersed sewerage facilities.

Perhaps a sign of a danger caused by refusing to call a spade a spade!

[PaulP]

We're talking all the major European nations - not Montenegro and Sardinia!

And there are dozens of eminent scientists/doctors expressing concerns.....

Playing a consensus card - is facile.

Whilst it's possible that these countries have smarter and more cautious politicians / scientists, it's also possible they are acting out of wariness / self preservation of being "the careless one" if they don't follow the leader. There's also the reality that those countries are in close proximity to one another, and share a number of things in common.  They are also part of a union, which in my view is also a factor. For now, Western European and Scandinavian countries make up the most of the suspensions. The data changes faster than one can type, but so far as I can tell, some of the countries that have suspended AZ have not actually experienced any issues within their own borders. The fact that the suspensions have thus far occurred in a localised geographical area should at least give one pause for thought.

[Mav]

I hope none of the 17 million who received the AZ vaccine died of old age. It’ll be far worse than the conspiracy theory that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Imagine: don’t take the AZ vaccine or you’ll die of old age, even if you’re 18  ;D

[cookie2]

I've heard that the AZ vaccine could turn you into an avid Bombers supporter! ?

[kruddler]

I've heard that the AZ vaccine could turn you into an avid Bombers supporter! ?

whatever it takes

[capcom]

I have never had any doubt about the Europeans propensity for getting into a bunfight about any damned thing.  This is just simply more proof of petty politics.  Stuff 'em.

[DJC]

The decision to suspend the vaccines in those European countries is more political than scientific. That is my contention, and I believe it's also LP's contention.

Caution and risk/reward are not black and white. What may seem overly and unnecessarily cautious to some is seen by others as reasonable precaution.

Nailed it Paul.  Politicians worrying about their re-election chances rather than the health and well-being of their constituents.