CV and mad panic behaviour

[cookie2]

The Sputnik also doubles as a hair restorer and fuel injector cleaner..

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I could certainly use it for the former.

[flyboy77]

Its funny how you continue to push the barrow that oversees governments are banning it....citing disinformation and secret agendas...

...at the same swallowing everything you are being fed by ours with an empty bowl asking "please sir, can i have some more".

Hypocrisy.

here, here.

I gather 20 nations in total have now paused the AZ vaccine.

Yet Scomo and his sycophantic clowns know better?

Right....

I'm still waiting for an ad campaign to be rolled out featuring Cathy Freeman, Kylie and Michael Clarke telling us how safe the vaccines are - they'd know for sure.

[flyboy77]

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I could certainly use it for the former.

x2

[PaulP]

Don't mention the fact that 13 nations in Europe have paused the use of AstraZ.

I can only go by the science says, and there is almost universal agreement that all the vaccines on offer are very good, and you should be happy and confident whichever one you receive. If you are correct, and there is a pecking order for the vaccines, then the system is corrupt, and the entire edifice of scientific recommendations and pronouncements needs to be called into question, because I have not heard a single medical expert attempt to steer patients towards one vaccine or the other.

There may well be 13 countries that have suspended AZ, but that leaves 180 odd that have not suspended it. I really don't know what to tell you. You clearly have made up your mind that the AZ is inferior, and I'm not sure another 100 pages of debate will sway you.

[flyboy77]

I can only go by the science says, and there is almost universal agreement that all the vaccines on offer are very good, and you should be happy and confident whichever one you receive. If you are correct, and there is a pecking order for the vaccines, then the system is corrupt, and the entire edifice of scientific recommendations and pronouncements needs to be called into question, because I have not heard a single medical expert attempt to steer patients towards one vaccine or the other.

There may well be 13 countries that have suspended AZ, but that leaves 180 odd that have not suspended it. I really don't know what to tell you.

We're talking all the major European nations - not Montenegro and Sardinia!

And there are dozens of eminent scientists/doctors expressing concerns.....

Playing a consensus card - is facile.

[cookie2]

Big politics and big $s are in play folks. The truth will be elusive.

[ElwoodBlues1]

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I could certainly use it for the former.

Ditto, the roof could do with some new thatching...  8)

[ElwoodBlues1]

Big politics and big $s are in play folks. The truth will be elusive.

Yep, always money to be made in wars and a pandemic isn't much different.

[LP]

Speaking of probabilities, what is the chance of an otherwise healthy unvaccinated person becoming severely ill or worse from the virus in Australia?

Less than a shark attack for all age demographics. Even the uber oldies (in this country).

So, where does the risk/reward balance sit?

And don't start on the BS that is asymptomatic transmission.....

In the history of Australia, have sharks ever killed 900 people in one year(17/week)?

While it might be correct historically to compare the chances of COVID-19 virus death versus shark attacked death based on historical total figures, we aren't ever going to have a shark attack infect a whole block of flats, a retirement village, palliative care facility or fill a hospital full of patients to the brim.

At the moment Melbourne is detecting the COVID-19 virus in sewerage works all over the state, they do not know how it gets there, but it's found in remote geographically separated sites so it can only be getting there by a mobile vector like people or birds. They suspect some can be explained by people who have been infected recovered and are no getting a second dose, which based on global stats happens to a percentage of sufferers. But they fear it might be birds spreading it from treatment site to treatment site.

Complacency kills.

[LP]

At my mother in laws' hospital that she works at all the doctors got the Pfizer. She's a food monitor so she has been told that she gets the AstraZ, same as the cleaners.

We talked about this a week or two back, the Pfizer vaccine was the first to roll out weeks ahead of AstraZeneca, and health, quarantine and emergency workers got the first doses so by default they all got Pfizer.

You already know that because I know we have already discussed it.