Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

[ElwoodBlues1]

Talk about projecting.

Sos barely cracked a smile when he kicked a goal... or 10. We are judging him for not guessing at his son kicking a couple in a scratch match?!

Yep....based on his wife's expression and the elbow she gave him, I think pretending its all ok between him and the club
after he was sacked is hiding from the truth. Credit to Jack for performing after what happened with father and brother and I hope he is rewarded with games ahead of less deserving but higher profile players

[kruddler]

Yep....based on his wife's expression and the elbow she gave him, I think pretending its all ok between him and the club
after he was sacked is hiding from the truth. Credit to Jack for performing after what happened with father and brother and I hope he is rewarded with games ahead of less deserving but higher profile players

When SOS was at the club, did he smile? Do you recall him ever letting his emotions get the better of him??

That is normal for him. Nothing new. As i was saying, when he himself was playing, he barely cracked a smile. Thats the type of guy he is. Business...game face....always something to focus on and improve.

[PaulP]

Maybe he just noticed a whopping great tomato sauce stain on those white jeans........................

[ElwoodBlues1]

When SOS was at the club, did he smile? Do you recall him ever letting his emotions get the better of him??

That is normal for him. Nothing new. As i was saying, when he himself was playing, he barely cracked a smile. Thats the type of guy he is. Business...game face....always something to focus on and improve.

Agree SOS has the look of a Soviet war monument at the best of times but I felt that look was a bit more intense.
The interview he gave with SEN prior to the draft period explained how he felt and there was nothing positive towards the Carlton football club from SOS. I reckon he would still be hot under the collar and probably not happy seeing Jack in Navy Blue but credit to Jack he seems to have put the footy first and the politics second..

[cookie2]

Jack needs to be 100% professional for CFC this year aa well as play well if he is to further his footy career with us or elsewhere. I'm sure he understands that and will be committed to it. SOS needs to support and assist him to do that as a father and not allow his tiff with the club get in the way. Hopefully he will do that and be very dispassionate and professional about it.

[PaulP]

The Tigers game is 2 weeks away, and with our injuries combined with last night's performance, omitting Jack (if it were to happen) would certainly raise a few eyebrows.

[keogh]

Firstly, past history does not give an accurate presentation of our current list.
Your little stat shaming exercise would be similar to what Richmond's was before they went nuts and won 3 out of 4 flags. By your logic,  tigers had a crap list because it was crap in the past. Doesn't make sense.

Finally,  all the other negativity aside....our recruiting actually targeted areas of need...
and filled them. When was the last time you could say that?
As for cap space... you have to pay someone. Your list analysis says we lack talent... and you don't want to pay the new recruits... so who are you paying? Gotta pay someone, might as well be new recruits who fill a need,  rather than the hacks who have given us nothing over the past 20 years.... right?

You can't have it both ways.

What you fail to realize is O’ Neal become President in 2013. Four years later the dynasty starts. That’s not a coincidence.
How long has LoGiudence been in the job
Of course Kernahan before that
Pratt Elliott
There lies the problem dude

[PaulP]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/04/g...s-carlton/

[kruddler]

What you fail to realize is O’ Neal become President in 2013. Four years later the dynasty starts. That’s not a coincidence.
How long has LoGiudence been in the job
Of course Kernahan before that
Pratt Elliott
There lies the problem dude

So the prez is the problem?

I thought it was the crap list?

I thought it was recruiting?

How long before its the coach??

OK, lets play.
In 2015, we had a bad year, sacked Malthouse and installed Bolton.
In 2016, we went 7 and 15 with a percentage of 79.3%
In 2016, Richmond went 8 and 14 with a percentage of 79.5%.
We played Tigers in R1 (Boltons first game as coach of carlton) and we lost by 9 points.
Swap that result and we finish above the tigers.

People were calling for Hardwicks head. He was nearly sacked.

Tigers kept him, despite being (barely) above what was a wooden spoon club the year before.

Did they have a crap list?
That same list has won 3 of the next 4 grand finals.

It was not the list....despite some saying it was.
Are you part of the 'some' now?
If we win 3 of the next 4.....is it still a crap list?

There will come a time where we stop trying to blame everything that came before us, focus on where we actually are and accept it.

I get it, you are skeptical. You have seen it all before. If it angers you so much, don't watch.
Maybe, just maybe, the tide is turning right before your eyes.

[jeza]

So the prez is the problem?

It does start at the top though right?

A good president finds, appoints and supports a good CEO and they both do the same for coaches, recruiters, list managers, etc.
The crapstorm around SOS departure is just the most visible symptom but the root problem at the club has been attracting really genuine gun person as President.

That's my view on it anyway. We're always going to be pushing crap up a hill until we are able to appoint a decent president.