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Losing the cricket theme, but it is an interesting conversation.
In the work circles that I have, diversity focus is particularly on boards - young, old, gender, ethnicity - but still needing to do the job.
I think that quotas have helped the Labor party get many of its women in. Sure, the talent started off with a low bar, but as time has gone on, it has shown other women that politics is something that they can be involved in, so more have become involved. Society has to be better off for that. AFLW will be an example of that, and I actually don't mind watching women's cricket.
I certainly feel for those who are pushed out of the workforce because they aren't 'diverse'. Employing someone is all about discrimination until the final one is chosen (typo in that CV, next, don't like your name, next, CV too long, next, CV too short, next, hasn't got 5 years experience for a job that needs none, next - then all the issues that Thry has described, but none written down or spoken about)
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(02-18-2021, 11:16 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:The real issue with it, is we start to practice the exact sort of discrimination they fight against.
Imagine campaigning your whole life to smash the glass ceiling, only for them to prioritise the hiring of people who are not the best candidate available, but instead making the decision based on quotas and targets to have equal representation.
You went to university, but you are a heterosexual male who is married with two kids? Really sorry, but you miss out on the job. We need to hire someone who is either Aboriginal, or of Asian/African background, ideally a female, and ideally in a same sex relationship. Birth gender being the opposite of the one you currently identify for bonus points and credentials just need to be somewhere close to your level of qualification and it will do. Oh, no experience necessary in that case to. You go straight to go.
Its not the society I was told we should be fostering.
And start off with HR managers ... mostly feral man hating females.
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(02-19-2021, 02:49 AM)capcom link Wrote:And start off with HR managers ... mostly feral man hating females. HR managers in general are just stooges of the management, we had a female who fitted your description, her husband ditched her and she decided the rest of the male population at work would have to suffer for it. Funny thing was she accidentally paid around 650k into my super account by mistake, I did the right thing after mulling it over  and contacted the super fund who said it would never have been picked up from their end :'( and they were grateful but not a word of thanks from Ms HR who did her best to avoid me from that point on and was totally useless when I retired early and needed paperwork signed etc.
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More evidence that doing the right thing gets you nowhere EB - the bastards are winning, by daylight.
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(02-19-2021, 05:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:HR managers in general are just stooges of the management, we had a female who fitted your description, her husband ditched her and she decided the rest of the male population at work would have to suffer for it. Funny thing was she accidentally paid around 650k into my super account by mistake, I did the right thing after mulling it over and contacted the super fund who said it would never have been picked up from their end :'( and they were grateful but not a word of thanks from Ms HR who did her best to avoid me from that point on and was totally useless when I retired early and needed paperwork signed etc. Wouldn't feed em.
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(02-19-2021, 01:02 AM)LP link Wrote:Many of the academics that argue along the lines for quotas have academic "tenure", it's a huge contradiction!
Like Amal Clooney, they debate something that doesn't apply to them!
Academics with tenure? I’d like to see that!
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Quote:“The pitch is the same for both teams, so I don’t know why there is so much discussion about it. Pitches have been prepared like this in India for years,” Rohit said ahead of the third Test in Ahmedabad, which begins on Wednesday AEDT.
“Every side takes advantage of home conditions even when we travel ... When we travel they (opponents) make our life difficult.
“We make pitches according to our preferences, that’s why it’s called home advantage. Otherwise take away home advantage and ask the ICC to make a rule to prepare the same pitches in India and outside India.”
Can you imagine it if we handed a green top to Starc and Cummins during an Indian tour?
FFS, .............. India is the victim ......... didn't they refuse to play a test in Perth because the wicket gave Australia too much advantage! :o
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(02-19-2021, 11:23 PM)DJC date Wrote:Academics with tenure? I’d like to see that! [member=324]DJC[/member] It's a global perspective, not just domestic.
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(02-22-2021, 04:20 AM)LP link Wrote:[member=324]DJC[/member] It's a global perspective, not just domestic.
I think that you will find that academic tenure is limited to some high ranking professors in a few countries such as the USA, Canada, and Germany. Most academics are on short-term or ongoing contracts and in Australia many are casual employees.
I actually think that the tenure system was antiquated, subject to abuse and did not encourage quality research or teaching. Casual and short-term employment may be the contemporary norm, but it certainly doesn't encourage research and teaching. I would prefer to see academics on fixed term or ongoing contracts ... but that's way off topic.
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(02-22-2021, 04:49 AM)DJC link Wrote:I think that you will find that academic tenure is limited to some high ranking professors in a few countries such as the USA, Canada, and Germany. Most academics are on short-term or ongoing contracts and in Australia many are casual employees.
I actually think that the tenure system was antiquated, subject to abuse and did not encourage quality research or teaching. Casual and short-term employment may be the contemporary norm, but it certainly doesn't encourage research and teaching. I would prefer to see academics on fixed term or ongoing contracts ... but that's way off topic. Melbourne Uni is full of tenured academics on big money who teach 12 hours a week contact hours and complain about it. The Arts area including the old VCA is a tenure goldmine. Lots of academics who have been there 20 years plus just waiting to collect that pot of gold super which they have been building up at 12% plus.
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