CV and mad panic behaviour

[flyboy77]

Yes, I haven't come across someone genuinely on the front line who won't. I do have some contacts in the critical age care system, and the demise they have witnessed from COVID is no very pleasant, no matter how small you think the risk might be! No matter how frail, how ill, drowning in your own lung fluid is not a good end.

My GP has spent the last year doing double shifts at his practise and then working in emergency / critical care at one of the hospitals with a dedicated COVID ward. I can see the impact it's had on him, he has aged terribly, he'll be in the front line to get the vaccine and if it is good enough for him it's good enough for me!

I'm not going to risk inflicting that demise on my friends and relatives, I don't want to be the one.

Young men volunteer for war, this vaccine is like signing up!

Rather sad when all he had to do was pop a bit of Zinc, HCQ/Ivermectin and a decent, relevant antibiotic....

And check his Vitamin D levels. The simple stuff....

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the numbers mount (and these VAERS numbers are grossly understated numbers mind you).

Or we could question whether this virus has ever been isolated and met Koch's Postulates..... the answer being a big fat No.

Or we could ask are all these reported deaths globally really attributable to the virus and corresponding disease? the answer, again, being a big fat NO.

[LP]

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Holy Schmoly, for every 1 person who go the vaccine 1.29 people were affected, you're a dead person just being near them! :o

That little clarifying argument about the rubbery numbers is why you don't trust stats from that person, some unlucky people must have had two shots and died twice! ;D

The really nice one is birth defects, given pregnant woman are not yet cleared to get vaccinations either as part of trials or programs, and the vaccines have only been publicly available for 3 months even if they could! Micropregnancy?

[LP]

Rather sad when all he had to do was pop a bit of Zinc, HCQ/Ivermectin and a decent, relevant antibiotic....

And check his Vitamin D levels. The simple stuff....

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the numbers mount

Yes, because medical professionals want to spend $30K keeping you alive in an overflowing hospital, or let you die alone in a tent in a paddock somewhere, rather than offering the $30 over the counter cure! ;D

[ElwoodBlues1]

Yes, I haven't come across someone genuinely on the front line who won't. I do have some contacts in the critical age care system, and the demise they have witnessed from COVID is no very pleasant, no matter how small you think the risk might be! No matter how frail, how ill, drowning in your own lung fluid is not a good end.

My GP has spent the last year doing double shifts at his practise and then working in emergency / critical care at one of the hospitals with a dedicated COVID ward. I can see the impact it's had on him, he has aged terribly, he'll be in the front line to get the vaccine and if it is good enough for him it's good enough for me!

I'm not going to risk inflicting that demise on my friends and relatives, I don't want to be the one.

Young men volunteer for war, this vaccine is like signing up!

I think you will find quite a few frontline healthcare workers not so keen to get jabbed first up especially nurses and ambo's.
In fact overall the Government are concerned there maybe a 50% only or less take up overall in Australia and are spending a lot of money trying to market the vaccines to the public in particular.
Given the scatter gun approach of which vaccine you might get and how effective is one vs the other, as well as the rushed testing its going to be a hard sell IMHO until there is more data on what works best and is the safest.

[LP]

I think you will find quite a few frontline healthcare workers not so keen to get jabbed first up especially nurses and ambo's.

In fairness, by front line I was referring to those working in COVID specific ICU wards, not just in the hospitals.

I admit that I only know a handful, we've have all heard from a few through media like the [member=64]PaulP[/member] story above.

I haven't found a verified front line COVID ICU carer who is a naysayer yet, they may exist but I haven't found a report from one that was genuine. Even that fainting nurse story turned out to be fake, common or garden variety syncope.

I have heard anecdotal stories of some refusing to work COVID ICU and also refusing COVID vaccine, that seems somewhat contradictory in logic!

I'll trust my GP, I know where he has been!

[LP]

btw., Brazil, huge 1st wave with lots of alleged local 1st wave immunity, they not going to be refusing vaccine.

They are now in a world of pain with the new strain, and begging for the vaccine regulations to be relaxed!

[ElwoodBlues1]

btw., Brazil, huge 1st wave with lots of alleged local 1st wave immunity, they not going to be refusing vaccine.

They are now in a world of pain with the new strain, and begging for the vaccine regulations to be relaxed!

Brazil's problem is the president..an incompetent Muppet who would make Trump look like a Nobel Prize winner.
Think they are using the Chinese Sinovac vaccine and the Indian produced AstraZeneca, not sure I'd be sampling either of those two offerings.....

[kruddler]

So Victoria is free to join the real world again and with it is a set of guidlines as to what you can and can't do.

I was browsing through the categories and noticed this one....

Adult entertainment: Brothels and sex on premises venues open, with a density quotient of 1 per 4sqm and a patron cap of
100. Electronic record keeping required. Strip club venues open, with a density quotient of 1 per 4 sqm and no seated service
requirement

Now, i've never partook, but my understanding is following that density quotient kinda defeats the purpose. lol

[DJC]

It was interesting listening to Nobel Laureate Peter Doherty on the wireless today.  He is hoping for a very rapid and thorough vaccination program with a focus on health and aged care workers.

My daughter is a frontline health worker and she can't wait to get her jab(s).

[DJC]

So Victoria is free to join the real world again and with it is a set of guidlines as to what you can and can't do.

I was browsing through the categories and noticed this one....

Now, i've never partook, but my understanding is following that density quotient kinda defeats the purpose. lol

I don't think workers are included in the density quotient Krud  :-\