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Well the orange one has gone to ground. When someone of his personality disorder type shuts up shop, you know he's up to no good planning / hatching some nefarious scheme!
I just heard that he's raised about a quarter a billion dollars from his supporters... and the loot has been siphoned off into an account administered by his daughter and son-in-law and a coupla other buddies!! How can this sh1te be legal? Wholesale ripping off but, apparently, there is some fine print which may save him - his followers are unlikely to read such things! He's been able to pay his legal bills with half of it...
Then, some military guru reckons Trump has the authority to order another election in the 4 swing states overseen by the military!!
I wonder if he's on the dogger to his buddy in Russia seeing if he can help out with the promise of a returned favour of some magnitude?
Coup by stealth? This sleazy pr1ck aint going away any time soon. January 20th can't come soon enough... then freeze his accounts pending an investigation.
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(12-19-2020, 09:24 AM)Baggers date Wrote:Then, some military guru reckons Trump has the authority to order another election in the 4 swing states overseen by the military!! I think the only military grade component of that opinion is the tugging?
I've heard a retired and a serving Major-General both state the same thing. Regardless of what the GOP politicians and alarmists state, it's the opinion of the military that Trump couldn't even launch a spud gun at the moment if he wanted to without bipartisan support, as far as the military are concerned the gig is now Biden's, and if Trump goes loco they'll just change the locks!
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Interesting that the election fraud conspiracists haven’t leapt on the news of the massive SolarWinds hack of US Government computer systems. Ordinarily, the tin-foil brigade behave like bower birds, incorporating anything interesting into their own reality. And this news was right down their alley: a foreign or other actor hellbent on gaining access to sensitive systems. Why didn’t they claim this proved their fears over election fraud?
Such a claim would have flown in the face of the facts. Dominion has stated that it’s platform didn’t utilise SolarWinds in any way. The other problem is that there is a paper audit trail: a hack of Dominion’s software might succeed in changing votes digitally but could not affect the paper votes retained by the states. There have been many hand audits of the paper votes which have confirmed the digital tallies in the battleground states Trump lost.
But just because the conspiracy flies in the face of the facts has never worried the conspiracy theorists to date as dozens of ridiculous court cases show. More likely is the fact that the Dear Leader had stayed silent about the hack while Pompeo and security experts blamed Russia. Trump’s base knows that blaming Russia is verboten in Trumpland, so they were in a pickle. QAnon fanatics could hardly do anything that would humiliate Trump, who they believe is Q.
But Trump has now given them their marching orders. He has furiously rebuked Pompeo for blaming Russia and has said it might be China. Phew! The election fraud conspiracy theory is back on track. Everyone knows that the election fraud conspiracy involves Hugo Chavez, Venezuela, George Soros, the Clintons, the Democrats, the CIA and FBI, and CHINA! It all fits together nicely now 
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(12-20-2020, 05:50 AM)Mav link Wrote:Interesting that the election fraud conspiracists haven’t leapt on the news of the massive SolarWinds hack of US Government computer systems. Ordinarily, the tin-foil brigade behave like bower birds, incorporating anything interesting into their own reality. And this news was right down their alley: a foreign or other actor hellbent on gaining access to sensitive systems. Why didn’t they claim this proved their fears over election fraud?
Such a claim would have flown in the face of the facts. Dominion has stated that it’s platform didn’t utilise SolarWinds in any way. The other problem is that there is a paper audit trail: a hack of Dominion’s software might succeed in changing votes digitally but could not affect the paper votes retained by the states. There have been many hand audits of the paper votes which have confirmed the digital tallies in the battleground states Trump lost.
But just because the conspiracy flies in the face of the facts has never worried the conspiracy theorists to date as dozens of ridiculous court cases show. More likely is the fact that the Dear Leader had stayed silent about the hack while Pompeo and security experts blamed Russia. Trump’s base knows that blaming Russia is verboten in Trumpland, so they were in a pickle. QAnon fanatics could hardly do anything that would humiliate Trump, who they believe is Q.
But Trump has now given them their marching orders. He has furiously rebuked Pompeo for blaming Russia and has said it might be China. Phew! The election fraud conspiracy theory is back on track. Everyone knows that the election fraud conspiracy involves Hugo Chavez, Venezuela, George Soros, the Clintons, the Democrats, the CIA and FBI, and CHINA! It all fits together nicely now
 ) ) ) yep, getting sillier by the day.
And those far right media channels (OAN & Co.) pedaling bullshizen re fraud are now in the sights of Dominion and the other vote counter org from California that I can't recall at the minute, with legal action, likewise FOX. Now that's a language they understand and are ducking and weaving and ensuring that any opinion from their 'guests' is identified as the guest's opinion and not necessary theirs. Good luck with that.
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I’d love to see Fox News taken to the cleaners but the 1st Amendment makes it hard to sue over political mudslinging. When the lies are coming from the White House and the President’s Campaign team/lawyers, FoxNews will be able to say it has to air them.
Fox News has successfully defended a defamation case by arguing that Tucker Carlson is just an entertainer and no one takes him seriously, and no doubt will argue the same in future if Tucker or other night time hosts are sued.
Will it be enough for Dominion to show that the election fraud stories were without factual foundations or will it be necessary to show the on air “talent” didn’t believe the stories were true? If it’s the latter, this may be difficult to show as the night time hosts are lunatics. Let’s face it, who really knows if Trump believes the stuff he spews out. Many people think he is genuinely deluded, and the same could be said of Rudy and Sidney Powell.
After Elon Musk won the defamation case brought by one of the rescuers of the boys trapped in the cave by saying that calling him a pedo guy didn’t mean he was accusing him of being a paedophile, it’s hard to see anyone being able to win a defamation case.
But I guess if Fox News doesn’t argue that their stories are true but wins only by arguing no one believes them or their presenters put them forward in good faith, that would be a win of sorts for Dominion and Biden.
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Trump has guaranteed that he’ll be universally regarded as one of the worst Presidents of all time. First, Covid spread unchecked in the US on his watch and the death toll will be greater than US forces have suffered in any war. Secondly, he has presided over the greatest intrusion into US systems by a foreign power and he displays complete indifference to it. Then there’s all the corruption, racism and the attempted coup. Future historians will be aghast.
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Baggers, you’re right: Smartmatic has sued Fox and no doubt to help its defence Fox News has forced Lou Dobbs, Maria Baritomo and Judge Jeanne Pirro to run a pre-recorded segment debunking their own conspiracy theories
Can you imagine Trump watching that segment as he tunes in to his favourite wingnuts
Watch here
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(12-20-2020, 11:06 PM)Mav link Wrote:Baggers, you’re right: Smartmatic has sued Fox and no doubt to help its defence Fox News has forced Lou Dobbs, Maria Baritomo and Judge Jeanne Pirro to run a pre-recorded segment debunking their own conspiracy theories
Can you imagine Trump watching that segment as he tunes in to his favourite wingnuts
Watch here
A very deep shade of orange I suspect...
I wonder what Putin has on Trump to ensure his co-operation? A certain motel room video, perhaps?
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They are just glorified News Readers, parroting away what comes off the teleprompter, if you give them any serious credence about having and broadcasting their own ideas you've gone too far.
Even when they conduct a live debate or interview the questions and response are feed to them via the earpiece, their real talent is to be able to read, speak and listen all at the same time!
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(12-20-2020, 11:27 PM)Baggers link Wrote:I wonder what Putin has on Trump to ensure his co-operation? A certain motel room video, perhaps? Unfortunately, Biden seems intent on closing the book on Trump’s Administration for fear of angering Republicans. It’s pretty obvious, however, that the GOP will practice total opposition if they keep the majority in the Senate. They’ll run a new slate of Benghazi-style investigations through the Senate. But maybe Trump will annoy Biden enough by leaving behind special prosecutors to go after Hunter Biden and election fraud that Biden will allow a comprehensive review of Trump’s dirty doings. Imagine a special prosecutor gaining access to Trump’s taxes and financial documents and requiring Trump to attend for an interview. Even better, s/he would be able to require all of the pardoned co-conspirators to testify as they can’t plead the 5th. Then various House Committees could call the Special Prosecutor before them to find out what s/he’s learned.
Trump is apparently mulling over appointing Sidney Powell as a Special Prosecutor into election fraud (as well as declaring martial law) :o
I wonder if Trump was dumb enough to invite the Russians to trawl through Government systems in the hope they could help him winkle out the Deep State? After all, he was the one who asked the Russians to go after Hillary’s emails (“Russia, if you’re listening ...”) and delivered up classified material to the Russian Foreign Minister in the Oval Office.
After watching General Flynn in action, will Americans lose their hero worship of military types. Man, that guy is a moron and total fruitcake. How the hell did he manage to end up as a General?
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