CV and mad panic behaviour

[capcom]

In principle GTC, yes ... in practice, radically different.  ALL carriers operating into Australia MUST be members of IATA (Intl air transport association) but that don't have the authority to alter the T&Cs for all passenger uplift across all carriers.  Only the federal govt can enforce that, a state government cannot.

That's why Qantas has started the push.  The complexity of bringing that into being universally, well, I could write a book about that.  Minefields

[LP]

In principle GTC, yes ... in practice, radically different.  ALL carriers operating into Australia MUST be members of IATA (Intl air transport association) but that don't have the authority to alter the T&Cs for all passenger uplift across all carriers.  Only the federal govt can enforce that, a state government cannot.

That's why Qantas has started the push.  The complexity of bringing that into being universally, well, I could write a book about that.  Minefields

[member=827]capcom[/member]‍ -  I read the other day governments were thinking about forcing airlines to quarantine international staff from domestic staff, it seems unworkable. Especially if destinations bring in a vaccination / quarantine requirement for incoming airline staff as well as passenger arrivals.

How do you quarantine staff before departure, then require them to quarantine again on return, and still remain a viable organisation? You'd need to have staff on the job for weeks on end, on top of having them endure quarantine before and after a block of work, just to get a reasonable staff duty cycle!

[Thryleon]

Most of our measures are unworkable.

The hardest part is that on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being a bad flu season, and 10 being the plague or the black death, this pandemic is looking like a solid 2.5.

Imagine it was worse??

We know better now, and it still could be seen to be worse, but IMHO, if it was going to be both ridiculously infectious, and deadly then I'd be all for imposing stricter measures but a year on, it looks as though this is a garden variety virus which for the most part, crisis averted.

It could get worse, but it wont be by much, unless we see it evolve into the beast I described.  We wont be so lucky on the next one.

[capcom]

[member=827]capcom[/member]‍ -  I read the other day governments were thinking about forcing airlines to quarantine international staff from domestic staff, it seems unworkable. Especially if destinations bring in a vaccination / quarantine requirement for incoming airline staff as well as passenger arrivals.

How do you quarantine staff before departure, then require them to quarantine again on return, and still remain a viable organisation? You'd need to have staff on the job for weeks on end, on top of having them endure quarantine before and after a block of work, just to get a reasonable staff duty cycle!

LP, you simply can't.  Unless you want to go bankrupt.  You'd need to triple the operating crew at every port; multiply that by their network ports within Australia and it would kill the industry and any interest in operating into this country.

I can see where this is headed.  Integration of their updated covid clearance certificates within their passports, much like a visa.  That is, just by itself, a ludicrous administration overload.

Unworkable. And that's for starters

[LP]

LP, you simply can't.  Unless you want to go bankrupt.  You'd need to triple the operating crew at every port; multiply that by their network ports within Australia and it would kill the industry and any interest in operating into this country.

I can see where this is headed.  Integration of their updated covid clearance certificates within their passports, much like a visa.  That is, just by itself, a ludicrous administration overload.

Unworkable. And that's for starters

Yes, to me it was obviously unworkable, but it has still been proposed.

Even if the cost wasn't an issue you'll have aircrew full of zombies after a heavy couple of weeks, the no shows will go through the roof, the rotating hours and variable workload do not make for a weeks on weeks off scenario like FIFO Miners. Politicians do not get it!

I knew an attendant who had been international at first for years and years, then switched to only domestic doing mostly east coast business flights. Quite awhile back there was some issue that caused a staff shortage on international flights, she had just spent a long few days doing domestic and was due for a long weekend when they asked her to go International. Apparently they can't just ask any attendant and she was only one of a few certified or qualified, etc.. She came straight off the heavy domestic week and did a stint of international between Aust, HK and Paris, and was shattered at the end of it, despite the great money she said never again, and she was very experienced and knew how to manage her way around the situation!

[Gointocarlton]

How do you police that?

Will you trust all foreign authorities to give passengers the all clear and rubber stamp?

It appears a clear and growing risk is flight crews, and passengers are in intimate contact with them!

Always reasons why something can't be done, it can. It aint rocket science. These are unique and unprecedented circumstances that require unique and unprecedented thinking.

[LP]

Asking travelling punters to voluntarily get tested ASAP and self-isolate, well good luck with that because it only takes one Karen to burn down the house!

Also, apparently the NSW news has stirred up a few bad memories, apparently there is some panic buying going down in some areas, presumably they think border closures will force stores will run out of stuff for Christmas so they are shopping early.

It's amazing how this stuff spreads, like a virus!

[LP]

Always reasons why something can't be done, it can. It aint rocket science. These are unique and unprecedented circumstances that require unique and unprecedented thinking.

You have to operate on trust, trust that humans will do the right thing!

Unfortunately in this situation, I fear the vast bulk of people will do the right thing, while it only takes one nerd who wants badly to light the fuse just to see what happens!

[Gointocarlton]

You have to operate on trust, trust that humans will do the right thing!

Unfortunately in this situation, I fear the vast bulk of people will do the right thing, while it only takes one nerd who wants badly to light the fuse just to see what happens!

Trust no one. Always cater for the lowest common denominator.

[LP]

I've heard it all now, the stupidity of bureaucracy knows no bounds!

Brett Lee has been packed up and sent home from Adelaide Test commentary duties, due to the Sydney Northern Beaches COVID outbreak.

This makes perfect sense! :

Rather than isolate the itinerant COVID carrying NSW vagabond in situ as part of a contagious contingent, until tested all clear, SA sends them begrudgingly trudging through the public space of Adelaide's airport and pack them into a 40m long flying tin can with a few hundred innocent bystanders for the ++1hr flight home!

It's all good! ;D