Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[Baggers]

Trump exhibits a mentality that suggest the rumours might be true, I think you would find it hard to garnish defensive public support for Trump from anyone with a daughter regardless of their politics, and not just to the assault claims but based on a lot of other proclamations that are more than relevant in a sexism debate.

But I suppose some might question the legitimacy of the groping claims, after all Trumps hands are apparently very very small, but I suppose it's one act where size doesn't matter. It's quite sad this has become public domain!

I can fully understand why Trump's family are pleading with him to concede, he is taking them down with him, he is even going to burn the careers of the younger ones! If he is prepared to do that to his own family, burn their future for a remote chance at delivering a benefit to himself, how can anybody take seriously any his commentary about caring for the US public?

It's all very sad, we are watching a very public disintegration, and business people would have very strongly founded doubts about getting involved with this person in the future, he looks unstable!      Is it perhaps symptoms of the COVID, some lingering mental duress?

There are aspects of how Trump has conducted himself in public since his COVID infection that seem almost child-like, I'm sure this change isn't just something I'm seeing because I oppose so many of his views, COVID triggered Alzheimer's perhaps. I'd be interested to know what others think?

Some pretty sharp observations here, Spotted One.

Grump's world is very simple, and molded in many respects by his upbringing and Roger Stone - you're only likeable if you win. He's a narcissist, which explains why he wouldn't give a cr@p about his family, unless they were useful. He has a single focus that is intrinsically linked to his self-worth - winning. He has to win. Losing is tantamount to death. The poor bugger was held up as the ideal son, as he exhibited killer instinct traits, to his brother by his father - 'daddy loves me if I'm a killer/winner'. Appalling psychological abuse. Both sons were severely damaged by this in very different ways.

When a narcissist fears his/her control waning, they become unhinged... in plain talk. Just look at Stone when questioned and exposed for his criminal behaviour - his head nearly exploded and he went on a rant about pedophilia. But Stone is actually worse than Grump, he's your bona fide sociopath.

Grump has never been held to account for any failure in his life, he's gotten away with all manner of stuff (bankruptcies) and having a poor moral compass is able to avoid guilt and remorse. But he now finds himself in a situation he's never really experienced - losing, not to mention being mocked by millions. Anything could happen, his mental health is now more fragile than ever. Hard to see him taking any kind of 'moderate' or humble approach to his situation. In his mind he is still President and people are trying to wrong him which makes them bad. Yep, child like.

Part of Grump's C-19 medication included a mild hallucinogenic which has him on a mild 'high' which probably explains some of his carry-on. That mixed with failure would have him desperate and probably in need of more medication!! Pretty sad stuff, really, on a human level.

I've not heard of Alzheimers brought on by C-19, but we continue to learn about the on-going effects of this virus.

[LP]

I suppose there can't be genuine outrage for fake news and false claims, they are just washed away in a rain of spurious commentary.

Is it just another artificially manufactured rage?

I feel it's quite sad to see so many people easily manipulated by the media, especially soon to be former President Trump.

[Mav]

Thryleon, I don’t disagree that the issue of consent can be fraught. I personally think the suggestion that there needs to be a verbal call out of consents like 2 pilots going through a check list is going too far, e.g. “May I now move my hand from your left breast to your right breast?” But that’s not what we’re talking about here.

We all know going in for a 1st kiss should be a slow move, both for romantic and consent reasons. Giving the woman a chance to say no or turn her head is important. Pouncing on a woman you haven’t even met carries with it the prospect of an assault charge. And grabbing their pussies before you’ve said a word to them is even more risky.

This was the behaviour he was describing.

[LP]

I'm shocked but not really surprised by how quickly Murdoch has turned on Trump.

It seems once his print journalism group flipped the broadcast media groups followed suit very quickly, almost in the space of a breath!

It seems the dollar rule$, does that mean Trump hasn't got any?

Is it true that the donations for Trump's "fighting election fraud" fund include a fine print clause/rider that declares the funds can be redirected to cover the budget blow out from his campaigning overspend? In other words, his group is in debt and needs cash to cover his losses.

[cookie2]

I suppose there can't be genuine outrage for fake news and false claims, they are just washed away in a rain of spurious commentary.

Is it just another artificially manufactured rage?

I feel it's quite sad to see so many people easily manipulated by the media, especially former President Trump.

Just a small technical point LP, Trump is still officially POTUS. I also read that Biden is not yet President elect until the election results are ratified.

[cookie2]

I'm shocked but not really surprised by how quickly Murdoch has turned on Trump.

It seems once his print journalism group flipped the broadcast media groups followed suit very quickly, almost in the space of a breath!

It seems the dollar rule$, does that mean Trump hasn't got any?

Is it true that the donations for Trump fighting fund include a fine print rider that declares the funds can be redirected to cover the budget blow out from his campaigning overspend?

Yep, that was indeed an interesting manouevre.

[DJC]

Just a small technical point LP, Trump is still officially POTUS. I also read that Biden is not yet President elect until the election results are ratified.

Yes, the POTUS retains his position until the inauguration of the new POTUS.  However, there's no formal process for determining the president-elect as such.  It's more or less a colloquial term for the person who appears to have won a conclusive majority of electoral college votes.  By tradition, the president-elect is "declared" by media networks.

[LP]

Just a small technical point LP, Trump is still officially POTUS. I also read that Biden is not yet President elect until the election results are ratified.

Corrected.

Always happy to be corrected [member=36]cookie2[/member] , no need for an apology being wrong and admitting it is a grown up part of life!

[Thryleon]

Thryleon, I don’t disagree that the issue of consent can be fraught. I personally think the suggestion that there needs to be a verbal call out of consents like 2 pilots going through a check list is going too far, e.g. “May I now move my hand from your left breast to your right breast?” But that’s not what we’re talking about here.

We all know going in for a 1st kiss should be a slow move, both for romantic and consent reasons. Giving the woman a chance to say no or turn her head is important. Pouncing on a woman you haven’t even met carries with it the prospect of an assault charge. And grabbing their pussies before you’ve said a word to them is even more risky.

This was the behaviour he was describing.

Inference yours regarding behaviour and what he was describing.  The fact you can find people who support that narrative says a bit about our society.  I could also point to people sharing my opinion, but we are playing the commentary (again at face value) and assuming that stars get their fair share of women who will throw themelves at them.  Why they do it, is beyond me but the fact it happens is well known, understood, and for the most part, doesnt matter.

Likewise, I cannot infer that Biden is a paedo based on the stuff thats online about him.

If you go searching for information you want to see, you might find it and about people who you would never consider to be that way inclined, and all that tells me, is that there is confirmation bias everywhere, and we need only look at the response to the COVID situation to find out exactly how that can polarise everyone in different ways that you wouldnt even think of.  Before anyone can jump on me, I am going to mention 5G here, as how this happens.

Ive heard a lot of stories over the years.  Often, there is a lot of fruit salad, exaggeration and half truths to stories, and what that has taught me is to ignore everything you hear, and mistrust even what your eyes are telling you, because very occasionally our biases skew our viewpoints so much, that we often ignore what is actually true. 

[Mav]

He never claimed women threw themselves at him. If he’d done that, maybe people would have thought he was deluded but that would have been it. If he’d said he could chat women up so well that they were putty in his hands, same thing. But taking what you want is quite another thing. Anyway, let’s agree to disagree. I’m sure there are those who think like I do and there are those who agree with you. What the split is is anyone’s guess and given the failure of the polls in this election there’s not much chance of figuring it out.