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(11-05-2020, 12:13 AM)Mav date Wrote:In Florida, there’s a suggestion that Trump’s attacks on Biden for being a socialist worked. Cuban Americans and Latinos who fled socialist countries such as Venezuela almost have a Pavlovian response to the word “socialist”. If the attack worked against Biden, it’s safe to say it would have worked against Bernie! But maybe Bernie would have appealed to the blue collar workers as much as if not more than Biden. The problem is that the whole campaign would have been Trump smearing Bernie as a communist and it appears from the results so far in this election that the USA is a lot more conservative than we might have thought. Unless progressives failed to turn out for Biden, maybe Bernie wouldn’t have been able to improve on Biden’s vote. I've heard this from many sources in the scientific community, the concept that Western cultures in particularly the USA is starting to resemble totalitarian regimes they fled. But interestingly they actually see Trump as the worst example of it, which seems somewhat ironic given his supporters rally against the concept of socialism and label his opponents as socialist. Yet to former citizen's of socialist states apparently Trump's disinformation campaign closely resemble how old world Soviet block states use to function in controlling the social discourse, so they find it very disturbing, neighbourhoods watching neighbourhoods, you can be free but only the accepted version of free!
USA society is so very introspective, I presume that is how Trump gets away with it.
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This election has been about Trump and turned into a popularity contest......Biden isnt every Democrats idea of a President so I think he was always going to struggle in a one on one vs Trump.
However Biden will win as Trumps popularity has waned more than Bidens has increased IMO...
Its more about the aftermath now and can Biden run the country and actually get any major change legislation passed..
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11-05-2020, 12:28 AM
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(11-05-2020, 12:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:This election has been about Trump and turned into a popularity contest......Biden isnt every Democrats idea of a President so I think he was always going to struggle in a one on one vs Trump.
However Biden will win as Trumps popularity has waned more than Bidens has increased IMO...
Its more about the aftermath now and can Biden run the country and actually get any major change legislation passed.. Yes, they tried hard to shut Trump up but couldn't, the more he speaks the bigger the hole he digs, his own mouth is his biggest weakness and I think we saw that last night!
The new trend is politics in this woke era seems analogous to, "Say nothing and you can't be wrong, and all opinions are equal even if they are ridiculous!"
Finally, what America describes as a poll is more analogous to a weathervane than a scientific survey, most of the reported stuff is made up just like Trumps content!
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(11-05-2020, 12:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:This election has been about Trump and turned into a popularity contest......Biden isnt every Democrats idea of a President so I think he was always going to struggle in a one on one vs Trump.
However Biden will win as Trumps popularity has waned more than Bidens has increased IMO...
Its more about the aftermath now and can Biden run the country and actually get any major change legislation passed..
Interestingly EB Trump gained 63 million popular votes in 2016 (v Hillary 65.8 ) and in 2020 so far 68.2 million (v Biden 71.5). More people have voted this year, but maybe the underlying sentiments have not changed that much?
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I don’t fancy Biden’s chances of getting anything through the Senate. Mitch McConnell engaged in total opposition for the last 6 years of Obama’s time and the GOP benefitted from it. Why wouldn’t he repeat the same plan?
The GOP Senators have also showed that they don’t care if their hypocrisy shows (e.g. Lindsay Graham’s assertion that the Senate shouldn’t consider a Supreme Court nomination in the last year of a President’s term) . And more importantly, they weren’t punished for their hypocrisy.
Good odds the Senate will suddenly realise there’s a deficit and will demand stringent austerity, thus blocking any attempt to build infrastructure. There will be continual Senate hearings into the slightest alleged ethical breach. And MBB might get a 4 year Senate investigation into Hunter Biden.
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(11-05-2020, 12:35 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Interestingly EB Trump gained 63 million popular votes in 2016 (v Hillary 65.8 ) and in 2020 so far 68.2 million (v Biden 71.5). More people have voted this year, but maybe the underlying sentiments have not changed that much? Cookie....You know Trumps hard core supporters will always vote rain hail or shine, but the Democrats supporters are no given to rock up and actually vote and thats been the unknown. It is interesting that Trump has increased his popular vote, I think Biden will win still but its going to be a slog like I said to govern in the madhouse that is the USA.
With the USA stuff, covid back in europe you just want shut the doors and sit in your own back yard but China wont buy our wine, barley or our dirt anymore and the reserve bank are printing fake money we dont have so its no picnic here either.
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@EB
Agree, Biden to win at this stage, but what will Trump do is the big question?
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(11-05-2020, 12:55 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:@EB
Agree, Biden to win at this stage, but what will Trump do is the big question? I think Trump will back down from the legal stuff/recounts and the Republicans will look past Trump now to the future.
Biden will inherit a mess that will be hard to fix, a half decent Republican candidate will get in next time IMO providing Trump doesnt feck the system around for a long time with all his threats and BS.
Trump mafia mate Rudy Giuliani has fronted the media to complain about not being able to sufficiently observe vote counting in parts of Pennsylvania...what does he want to do check each vote personally?
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My guess is Rudy wanted to be able to take ballot boxes to Roger Stone’s house and count them there.
Reports of protest rallies forming outside vote count centres.
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