Trumpled (Alternative Leading)

[DJC]

I'm not sure there is any clear evidence of voter fraud favouring one side or the other, but the volume of fraud is fairly consistent so the bigger the turn out the less relevant fraud becomes.

Anyway, it's a very very small percentage, and it doesn't justify ignoring millions of legitimate votes to capture a few handful of fraudulent votes.

Just referencing the old mantra “vote early and vote often” LP.  I reckon that the POTUS’s claims of voter fraud are just the well-rehearsed rhetoric of an incoherent incompetent who is terrified of the consequences of losing.

[Lods]

Maybe but postal voting apparently was up because of Covid. Don't know how that could favour one party over the other.

Democrats would have been more likely to vote early by post.
They would have wanted to avoid the crowds on polling day.
Their parties message has always been a much more cautious one.

Biden will win the vote.
There won't be enough problems with the postals  to cause that result to be overturned.
Trump has every right to challenge any issues, but at the end of the day even a loaded court system must apply the laws as set down.

My question is the same as it's been for some time.
Why is this even a contest?
Trump has been a poor and divisive president who appears more concerned with personal promotion than the good of his nation.
Some of his comments and actions give the impression of someone with no idea.
He is rude and arrogant...often resulting to personal abuse of his opponents.
He's comes across as an all around nasty fellow.

So why are we still sorting out results.
Why have only a handful of states flipped.
Why have 48% of the eligible population voted for him.
More than 67 million voters
Trump's brought out more folks to vote for him than in 2016
They're not all right wing, nut job, deplorables.
Why in the midst of a global pandemic, which he seems by all measures to have handled pretty incompetently, is he still so close.
It would also seem that results in the Downticket races haven't been influenced to any great extent by Trump's tenure.

Trump is either an 'evil genius' or the opposition is pretty hopeless.
Doesn't bode well for their performance in government.

[Professer E]

US and Britain in political disarray, Europe paralysed by Covid.... Meanwhile china moving everywhere on the sly.  Last week coal,  yesterday crayfish and wine, tomorrow who knows,  wheat?  Iron ore? A hell of a trade war is on people, they're trying to bankrupt us, you can't tell me it's all "coincidence".

Then again,  some might say so what,  nether us not the planet needs the millions of tonnes of sh1t, low grade consumer goods  we import from that mob anyway.  Start with at your local Bunnings people.  If it says "made in the PRC" on the box,  put it down and walk away.  There are always alternatives.

[Mav]

Praying Arizona and Nevada carry Biden over the line. If it comes down to Pennsylvania, there’ll be no end of ratf*cking going on behind the scenes.

[madbluboy]

Praying Arizona and Nevada carry Biden over the line. If it comes down to Pennsylvania, there’ll be no end of ratf*cking going on behind the scenes.

It's over.

[LP]

Just referencing the old mantra “vote early and vote often” LP.  I reckon that the POTUS’s claims of voter fraud are just the well-rehearsed rhetoric of an incoherent incompetent who is terrified of the consequences of losing.

[member=324]DJC[/member]‍ , I don't think there will be significant political consequences of losing, the politicians are way too savvy to shoot themselves in the foot by making laws that could turn against them in the future.

But the lack of political action won't help Trump in avoiding commercial consequences, he's been hiding from debtors using the Presidency as cover for many years now, they'll be after him now!

[LP]

US and Britain in political disarray, Europe paralysed by Covid.... Meanwhile china moving everywhere on the sly.  Last week coal,  yesterday crayfish and wine, tomorrow who knows,  wheat?  Iron ore? A hell of a trade war is on people, they're trying to bankrupt us, you can't tell me it's all "coincidence".

Then again,  some might say so what,  nether us not the planet needs the millions of tonnes of sh1t, low grade consumer goods  we import from that mob anyway.  Start with at your local Bunnings people.  If it says "made in the PRC" on the box,  put it down and walk away.  There are always alternatives.

Yes, but we build glorious large and luxurious domestic dog boxes that fall apart within a decade. When you look into it and pursue quality over quantity and speed, the cost difference is significant and I doubt the current social culture will accept it.

But it's foolish to believe the low prices and acceptance of low quality will remain, a sign of this is a burgeoning distrust of Made in China within China itself. While lots of Made in Australia or Made in Japan items get exported at a significantly high unit price ironically to China, domestic shelves are filled with substandard Made in China or Taiwan alternatives. The same applies to the oil and fuel we export, we sell our good stuff at a premium, and buy and supply rubbish locally gouging the consumer on price because our gutless politicians are addicted to growth!

[Baggers]

Some regions still teach the Bible instead of evolution, and US kids think dinosaurs and men roamed the earth at the same time, and many Americans think Hawaii is a foreign country!

Of course, I'll offend some Americans with that post, but if you take offence do something about these issues in your own country before telling Europe or China what to do!

There are millions of Yanks who believe The Flintstones is a documentary. 

[LP]

There are millions of Yanks who believe The Flintstones is a documentary. 

Yes a funny joke, ................... or is it? :o

[Mav]

Yes, the election is still undecided, but do we know enough to reflect on whether the Democrats pulled the right rein in selecting Biden?

He has largely delivered what he promised: he won back Michigan and Wisconsin to rebuild the blue wall in the Rust belt and presumably statistical analysis after the election will confirm he was strong with older black voters.

But would another candidate have performed more strongly? After all, it’s pretty shocking that Trump wasn’t blown out of the water given how consistently dangerous and incompetent he has been. Would there have been a blue wave if Bernie had been the challenger?

In Florida, there’s a suggestion that Trump’s attacks on Biden for being a socialist worked. Cuban Americans and Latinos who fled socialist countries such as Venezuela almost have a Pavlovian response to the word “socialist”. If the attack worked against Biden, it’s safe to say it would have worked against Bernie! But maybe Bernie would have appealed to the blue collar workers as much as if not more than Biden. The problem is that the whole campaign would have been Trump smearing Bernie as a communist and it appears from the results so far in this election that the USA is a lot more conservative than we might have thought. Unless progressives failed to turn out for Biden, maybe Bernie wouldn’t have been able to improve on Biden’s vote.

I had a soft spot for Elizabeth Warren as she quite literally had a plan for everything. But I suspect Trump would have chewed her up and spat her out. She fell right into the “Pocahontas” attack. All she had to say is that she had simply passed on family legend that she had a Native American ancestor. Instead, she released an inconclusive DNA test to try to show the claim was true. Who does that?

The interesting “what if” is Pete Buttigeig. Fox News has had him on as a recurring guest to fill the role as “live kill” for rightwing hosts and guests. But he unexpectedly held his own. He is undeniably eloquent. You’d expect as a gay man that he’d have provoked a harsh response from the religious right but he seems to be able to neutralise that reaction. It’s not as though he didn’t have experience doing so as he’s from Indiana. He was mayor of South Bend while Mike Pence was governor. Maybe he’ll be 1 to watch in the future and he may well be a key Cabinet member under Biden if he wins.

Perhaps in the wash up we’ll find that Covid hampered the Democrat ground game. The lack of personal contact with the public may have been critical and may have been just as problematic if another candidate had been put forward.