Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 17: Carlton vs Adelaide

[ElwoodBlues1]

We need belief, a mental attitude and a culture. If we had that we'd we'd be playing next month. If we have that then watch the rest fall more into place. Type of players will do nothing unless that is sorted.

Jim, After a while you just have to get ruthless and aim higher...we got beat today by a bunch of kids and a B grade midfield who are the bottom team, it was a regression and clearly we lack in mental toughness as you say as well as some skills.
This was clearly the old Carlton with some of the old Carlton players doing the same stuff and checking out thinking it was an easy game. We should have belted the Crows and there has to be retribution or it will keep happening and Teague will come under pressure and we all know it wont be a happy ending...

[laj]

Jim, After a while you just have to get ruthless and aim higher...we got beat today by a bunch of kids and a B grade midfield who are the bottom team, it was a regression and clearly we lack in mental toughness as you say as well as some skills.
This was clearly the old Carlton with some of the old Carlton players doing the same stuff and checking out thinking it was an easy game. We should have belted the Crows and there has to be retribution or it will keep happening and Teague will come under pressure and we all know it wont be a happy ending...

Essentially culture, mental attitude and belief.

[laj]

Dogs are in the 8 and are the only ones that deserve to make it. They're the only ones not to have blown gold-plated opportunities. Melbourne, GWS and Carlton all gifted chances and pissed them down the drain.

[Lods]

I guess for me the concern is this....
We're probably finishing about where many of us expected.
That's fine....
But we seem to be finishing the season with a bit of a 'whimper' rather than a 'bang'
It would be nice to go into the off-season with 'momentum" rather than 'question marks.'

[laj]

I guess for me the concern is this....
We're probably finishing about where many of us expected.
That's fine....
But we seem to be finishing the season with a bit of a 'whimper' rather than a 'bang'
It would be nice to go into the off-season with 'momentum" rather than 'question marks.'

Pricks will likely go win next week. That might piss us off even more.

Losing when we choked it up was bad enough but less of a concern because we worked hard to pt ourselves in the right position. Frustrating but that's the life of a developing side. When they just don't turn up to play and give half an effort until it's too late that is an issue.

We ended up as we expected but got there is pretty bizarre ways. In the end what we would've taken at the start of the year turned out disappointing as it could've been so much better, due the issues between the lugholes.

In the end Melbourne, GWS and us were similar. Given chances and wasted them.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Pricks will likely go win next week. That might piss us off even more.

Losing when we choked it up was bad enough but less of a concern because we worked hard to pt ourselves in the right position. Frustrating but that's the life of a developing side. When they just don't turn up to play and give half an effort until it's too late that is an issue.

We ended up as we expected but got there is pretty bizarre ways. In the end what we would've taken at the start of the year turned out disappointing as it could've been so much better, due the issues between the lugholes.

In the end Melbourne, GWS and us were similar. Given chances and wasted them.

GWS have the talent but lack the ruthless streak and I put it down to the coaching, they should be top 4, why they re-signed Leon Cameron I dont know....

[kruddler]

I guess for me the concern is this....
We're probably finishing about where many of us expected.
That's fine....
But we seem to be finishing the season with a bit of a 'whimper' rather than a 'bang'
It would be nice to go into the off-season with 'momentum" rather than 'question marks.'

I disagree.

We had that last year and what did it give us?

I reckon we are better off this way.
We had a good year, but complacency cost us a spot in the finals. This is what happens when you slack off. We need a big off-season to take the next step.

We need the fire in the belly. We need the hurt. We need to realise its not just going to happen for us.
A good, happy ending can mask that.

[laj]

GWS have the talent but lack the ruthless streak and I put it down to the coaching, they should be top 4, why they re-signed Leon Cameron I dont know....

I couldn't believed they re-signed him. This is a side that should be near on top of the ladder not missing the finals.

Maybe he'll be like Bomber and Hardwick, have that one bad year before winning a flag. Not sure though as he should've by now with that talent.

[capcom]

Essentially culture, mental attitude and belief.

... and too many supposed line coaches when the one we need is a scruff of the neck leader who tells it like it is. 

[Baggers]

I had to watch the game again, just to be sure. What a mess. No Mr Teague you didn't let down the supporters today, you let down yourselves... time for the entire coaching group to stand in front of the full length mirrors.

Mssrs LoGuidice and Liddle had better take note of that knock on the door - it's reality. The senior coach and others can talk up the season all they like, the results and the performances speak far louder. We're brittle. We are completely unable to do the very basics -- esp disposal -- well, under any and all circumstances. The only thing we are any good at, at present, is fighting back... and then only to a degree. And beating the Dishlickers. Totally insecure in being pro active, and maintaining it.

To the same degree that we could have won a couple of close ones we could also, easily, have lost a couple of close ones and find ourselves about 15th or worse. Fragile between the lugholes, way too undisciplined, too indecisive, poor leadership. No mental toughness bar a few players... very few.

The good: Walsh & Weitering, they should be skippers. Their efforts are unconditional.

The bad: Mentality. The club has been talking all year about our inability to play 4 qtrs... how observant. News flash, whatever you're doing about it aint fckn working, do you realise that? Do you realise this is a major issue and has been for years? Do you realise the problem may lie with those within the coaching group? The game plan? The communication, ie, the players don't get it? Is there 360 feedback within the coaching group? For the problem to be identified and then for it to perpetuate says we must have some flaky dimwits with the coaching group... that is the only conclusion that makes sense as it's same old, same old, week after week, month after month, win, lose or draw.

Bringing out of form players into the side... specifically, McGovern and Cuningham this week. Yes, they both got possessions once the Crows tired but when they were needed most, early, tumbleweeds and crickets. ALL places in the side MUST be earned. There's a softness (sentimentality?) in our MC that is costing us confidence. NO MORE FAVOURITES, MR TEAGUE, or whoever is conning you into playing blokes who shouldn't be played.

So little tenacity. So little ruthlessness. So few of our blokes are uncompromising. How many jogged to the next contest today. How many gave up chases early? That's about leadership, discipline and direction, on and off the field.

The Ugly: Our disposal. That we really can only get on top of opponents when they relax or are in poor form, and then only for a while. A totally reactive side - a solid 10-16th yearly.

I don't agree that Simmo and Edwardo should be retired... if you didn't know their ages you'd see that both did their jobs today. Sheesh, at one stage Simmo had more metres gained than any other CFC bloke. Edwardo was desperate in the contest with pressure and energy - but had p1ss poor support.

In a difficult season with abnormal pressures the mentally weakest will fold soonest... the mentally strongest will likely win the flag.

Solution thoughts: change whatever we're doing re mental attitude, it is clearly NOT working. There's enough talent on our list to be doing far better than this, just seems to me they are being poorly or inadequately developed and trained. We hear that fckn word 'growth' all the damn time, yet we do not see it. So... get some hard edged assistant coaches, from successful environments who've a history of uncompromising excellence.

Hate to say it but I won't be getting my membership for next year early as I have done for decades. I'm going to wait to well into next season... more of the same, basic support no game membership, palpable improvement... then the wallet opens far wider.

I am off the TT. He's got next year to prove himself. More of the same... FO. So you'd better get some real performers in the coaching team.