Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

[Baggers]

Unfortunately, that's all part of progress of from zero to top side. We unfortunately have to go through alot of $hit during various stages of improvement. Same in any sport. Takes alot of work and doesn't happen overnight, even more so this year when you can't train with your full team, and not train much anyway with shortened breaks between games.  This year really favored the hardened, experienced team, who have they game style set in stone.

Agree. I'm sure we're close, but the next step requires that injection of newness... not a lot, but just enough to 'freshen' the message, hence changes in the coaching box. And most importantly, get assistants in who come from ruthless success / winning. Blokes who know the sacrifices, blokes who can recognize who will hurt to win.

Although I totally agreed with Mick McGuane's challenging article, I cannot see us retiring Tractor, Simmo, Edwardo or even Murphy all at once. Hey, pretend you don't know Simmo's age... and then watch his contribution match day - it's still there. Our most dangerous forwards over the past two weeks in big games have included Edwardo.

I'd be more inclined to trade away the 'experiments' that haven't worked. Cuningham is one, Moore is another. Cuningham would have currency but he just doesn't fit our need for consistency. Other clubs would welcome a 'burst' bloke on the outside who can break lines but then vanish for a while - that's a luxury we cannot afford. Tractor is the big one... and only the club knows if his body can handle a vigorous pre season then another season - I think not, ruck coaching - yep.

We're gong into a draft period with new cats at the helm. As we know I was not and am not a big wrap for SOS, no rose coloured glasses just because he was a champion player - hey, in a tv interview he claimed we would have taken Dow even if we had first pick. Plus we missed every big name we went after except for Martin who literally fell into our laps.

We've 3 games to go and I really hope we DO NOT play kids for the sake of it, positions must be earned. PLUS I really hope we DO NOT gift out of form experienced players. Macreadie, Philp and O'Brien have been knocking at the door.

I also like the suggestions from some here to be a little bold with experimentation, not enough to unsettle the side, though. Giving Jones a lash up forward would be worth trying along with Casboult down back as his forward work for more than a month now has been cr@p and he seemed to relish his time down back. Just thoughts.

[Inboltswetrust]

Next year, we say that every year, "they will lift next year". I think we have peaked with this group, I cant take the next step. Probably finish the same position next year, the problems (inaccuracy and by default goalless qtrs, brain fades) still exist. I cant see how they will be fixed other than by bringing new personnel...again.

We will only improve when they finally give the board the arse.

[Inboltswetrust]

Dow is still playing U18 football, his kicking is one thing but his nous and awareness is poor and either he hasnt been coached well or he cant mentally handle the upgrade playing senior footy.
He has decent size, shape and can do the odd good piece of play like his goal vs GWS was well thought out but in general field play he becomes a novice kid like he is playing his first game.
On the wing he was cornered, ran into trouble and should have been pinged for throwing the ball but he gave up mentally in that contest, turned it over and couldnt think it through. He really needs a mentor like Chris Judd to work with if he is going to make it IMO or another club who might be able to coach him differently and make him grow up a bit quicker.
You look at Walsh and its like he is a 30 year old veteran comparing him to Dow who looks like a 1st year rookie...

I'm from Swan Hill where Dow was recruited from. I actually know his father well.  The knock on Dow was always his kicking...all through his junior footy.  This is not something that should have gone unnoticed by a shrewd recruiter.  You simply have to do your homework before you select someone with pick 3.  We didn't.

[Gointocarlton]

We will only improve when they finally give the board the arse.

How does giving the board the ass improve our onfield.

[laj]

Says a bit. Things like this cost a season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-202...mpaign=crm&$3p=e_ab&$original_url=http://at.foxsports.com.au/link/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&_branch_match_id=806814755332847399

[Gointocarlton]

Says a bit. Things like this cost a season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-202...mpaign=crm&$3p=e_ab&$original_url=http://at.foxsports.com.au/link/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&_branch_match_id=806814755332847399

Yep, remember I said how Craig Jenning on SEN said many weeks go "Accuracy is king this year". He was absolutely spot on.

[kruddler]

We need to face the facts, we are frauds !!

Yes, that's right, frauds !!

We are not on the cusp of success, we are another 2-3 years away, we still need to "restructure" our playing list.

You do remember the record this club has 12 months ago when Teague took over?
You do remember how LONG your sacked list was with basically the same playing group we have now?
You do realise that we were the worst this competition has seen for decades "Worse than Fitzroy" just last year?

Now, 12 months later we have basically proven we can match it with anyone on any given day, we just need to find more consistency.

You are calling us frauds for this?

We are frauds simply because you couldn't temper your expectations.
We are frauds simply because you got ahead of yourself.

Answer me this. How many other teams have improved more than we have in the last 12 months?

[Baggers]

We will only improve when they finally give the board the arse.

IBWT, gotta say I like your stuff... but, sorry Cocko you couldn't be further from the mark on this one I reckon. Obviously the Board can't control the on-field stuff only who they appoint to be responsible for such things.

On this Board's watch our off-field situation has improved significantly. They got us back on course and had it not been for C-19 2021 would probably have seen the eradication of debt, huge debt, so they've sparkled in that dept.

When judging on-field, when off-field is pretty settled and heading in the right direction, you simply have to look at the same suspects: list management, list development, training and development, coaching and playing personnel, coaching and player support/further training and dev.

[Baggers]

Says a bit. Things like this cost a season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-202...mpaign=crm&$3p=e_ab&$original_url=http://at.foxsports.com.au/link/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&_branch_match_id=806814755332847399

Strange thing is when I read the article and the very damning stats I felt buoyed. Why? Nothing better in life than when you've got a problem and you know exactly what it is. You can go straight to remedy, straight to solution. You get those things right and apply that to those stats and where are we?

[Shakin77]

You do remember the record this club has 12 months ago when Teague took over?
You do remember how LONG your sacked list was with basically the same playing group we have now?
You do realise that we were the worst this competition has seen for decades "Worse than Fitzroy" just last year?

Now, 12 months later we have basically proven we can match it with anyone on any given day, we just need to find more consistency.

You are calling us frauds for this?

We are frauds simply because you couldn't temper your expectations.
We are frauds simply because you got ahead of yourself.

Answer me this. How many other teams have improved more than we have in the last 12 months?

Good post in response to an average one