CV and mad panic behaviour

[Gointocarlton]

No offense MBB, but I reckon the scorecard is pretty even there. And not so sure Andrews got us into this mess -- which we seem to be getting on top of now -- lets let the investigation find out exactly who stuffed up and let down the entire team of VIC.

We know, that is we have already been told, 99% of the second wave cases here in Vic have been traced back to the Hotel Quarantine debacle. So far, the ministers in charge (Jenny M), Vicpol and the security firms have not been portrayed in a very good light.  As you say, lets wait and see but many are saying Andrews wont make it to Xmas as Prem.

[bratblue]

We know, that is we have already been told, 99% of the second wave cases here in Vic have been traced back to the Hotel Quarantine debacle. So far, the ministers in charge (Jenny M), Vicpol and the security firms have not been portrayed in a very good light.  As you say, lets wait and see but many are saying Andrews wont make it to Xmas as Prem.

It happened under his watch so he needs to go. In some ways I admire his persistance but that doesn't make up for the damage and deaths he is ultimately responsable for. Jenny M should go with him.

[DJC]

We know, that is we have already been told, 99% of the second wave cases here in Vic have been traced back to the Hotel Quarantine debacle. So far, the ministers in charge (Jenny M), Vicpol and the security firms have not been portrayed in a very good light.  As you say, lets wait and see but many are saying Andrews wont make it to Xmas as Prem.

I think that will be Xmas 2026 

[Gointocarlton]

I think that will be Xmas 2026 

Not a chance, another point is this may have taken a severe toll on him mentally. He cannot possibly be sleeping well. This is all consuming but of a different nature, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if once it's under some sort of control he walks.

[Thryleon]

We know, that is we have already been told, 99% of the second wave cases here in Vic have been traced back to the Hotel Quarantine debacle. So far, the ministers in charge (Jenny M), Vicpol and the security firms have not been portrayed in a very good light.  As you say, lets wait and see but many are saying Andrews wont make it to Xmas as Prem.

Notice how in the other states they are able to get on top of things quickly because irrespective of how they get sick, people stop socialising with others stay home and actually do the right thing?

Hotel Quarantine or not every state has experienced outbreaks.  only in ours became one where people didn't care about it because they were too worried about getting on with life rather than doing the right thing and staying home when they got sick.

A security guard went menulog delivering ffs from those hotels on the same day he developed symptoms.

Pathetic. These Rhodes scholars are the problem.  We've been told since march that if you get sick stay home. 

People keep talking about the Quarantine in a way to tie the blame back to the premier but we wouldn't have 500 covid deaths if people did the right thing rather than continuing to thumb their nose at the government.

[capcom]

People keep talking about the Quarantine in a way to tie the blame back to the premier but we wouldn't have 500 covid deaths if people did the right thing rather than continuing to thumb their nose at the government.

Three letters ... A. D. F.  Two words ... nursing homes

[Gointocarlton]

Notice how in the other states they are able to get on top of things quickly because irrespective of how they get sick, people stop socialising with others stay home and actually do the right thing?

Hotel Quarantine or not every state has experienced outbreaks.  only in ours became one where people didn't care about it because they were too worried about getting on with life rather than doing the right thing and staying home when they got sick.

A security guard went menulog delivering ffs from those hotels on the same day he developed symptoms.

Pathetic. These Rhodes scholars are the problem.  We've been told since march that if you get sick stay home. 

People keep talking about the Quarantine in a way to tie the blame back to the premier but we wouldn't have 500 covid deaths if people did the right thing rather than continuing to thumb their nose at the government.

My wife and I constantly debate this and whilst I agree in part that the this is largely due to people doing the wrong thing, I still think it comes back to those in charge putting measures in place to cater for the lowest common denominator. In any workplace incident, investigations usually focus on training, procedures, management, protocols etc. It usually goes up the chain of command and thats where ultimate responsibility lies. Thry you work in the health industry IIRC, your training and exposure makes this all second nature to you. As an Engineer and Project Manager, I have worked on many projects in the Pharmaceutical sector so the concepts of hygiene, sterility etc is second nature to me. But I have dealt with people who struggle with even the most basic of concepts with regards to the above. With all due respect to them but to expect security guards on minimum wage engaged via a Whatsapp message to grasp all these concepts instantly with little or no training is a little rich in my opinion. Yes I agree, common sense should prevail, but as I have stated on many occasions, common sense aint that common anymore. When this broke out, I initially thought "mate you had one job, guard a door and stop people coming in or out". What is being detailed now is beyond belief. They should have followed the model adopted by other states, instead...

[DJC]

Absolutely Thry!

Governments might provide protocols for controlling pandemics but its people who determine whether or not those protocols work.  We see examples of folk disregarding or blatantly disobeying the protocols every day and right across the country.

And then there’s the Oligarch’s media minions demanding that all restrictions be lifted  >

[kruddler]

[member=160]Gointocarlton[/member]

How many 'people in charge' to you go through before you get to Andrews though?

Its a long bow to call for his head because 10 people under him failed to do the right thing first re training.

Of course, even if there was the proper training in place, it only takes 1 'denier' to ruin it for everyone and i don't think they will publicly out themselves as one in a job interview if its going to cost them a job.

[Gointocarlton]

[member=160]Gointocarlton[/member]

How many 'people in charge' to you go through before you get to Andrews though?

Its a long bow to call for his head because 10 people under him failed to do the right thing first re training.

Of course, even if there was the proper training in place, it only takes 1 'denier' to ruin it for everyone and i don't think they will publicly out themselves as one in a job interview if its going to cost them a job.

I dont know if it will get to Andrews, lets wait and see. However it may not start that low that it won't get to him though. Whilst plausible that a denier could cause a problem, I think its fair to say based on what we have heard to date thats not what we are dealing with here.