Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

[kruddler]

Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.

Not if you remove prior op.

[Macca37]

Except for a couple of Hawks junk time goals near the end, they were taken apart by Freo during the rest of the game. It could be because Freo played at home, but they were impressive.

We will need to play out the whole game and can't afford yet another brain fade if we are to have any chance of winning.

[LordLucifer]

I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C:  DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien

IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy

[ElwoodBlues1]

Gee I hope Walters doesn’t return this week.  Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Brayshaw will be stronger then what we have in there.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Eddie get some midfield minutes - he is a smart user and brings others into the game if he is not touching it much near goal not sure what we lose by giving him some time on the ball.

This will be another game that will be won and lost in the middle imo and Walters playing or not playing could sway the result imo.

Agree..Walters is a bogeyman and we dont really have a matchup down back for him.....hope we man Fyfe and dont let him just play off Cripps that never seems to work vs Freo and Fyfe always is a good player. Setterfield for Mundy, I'd tag Fyfe with Curnow, tough gig given Fyfe is a bigger unit but Ed is the fittest and best bet IMO.
I wouldnt play both Dow and Obrien either, I'd just pick the one if we go that way....

[kruddler]

I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C:  DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien

IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy

smart changes? Lose 2 of our best runners? 1 might be forced.

FYI, McGovern would be an 'in', as would Harry.
Outs would have to include Cottrell and Newnes

So you've matched their speed by making our team slower and less mobile overall.
Smart.

[LP]

Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.

Yes, it's pretty clear, the problem is using interpretations rather than literally umpiring the rules.

While I agree dropping the pill isn't a rule, it's clear professionally dropping the pill is a trend, in my opinion if you drop the pill it's incorrect disposal and as far as I know there are only two ways to legally dispose of the ball. Having it ripped out of your arms by a team-mate was sometimes penalised years ago, now it's a free for all football pass the parcel to the nearest team-mate. I'd have no problem if only opposition were allowed to dispossess the ball carrier by stripping the footy. But to counter that effect if a 3rd or 4th person joins in the tackle, the gang tackling should be penalised for holding the man even if your own team-mate has the footy. Having a team-mate hold the footy to your chest shouldn't be a defence for failing to dispose of the ball. End of gang tackling, over and done!

I've never understood why the AFL bows down to belligerent coaches that bitch and moan about how unfair the game is to their players. They always have some tactical advantage hidden behind their agenda for their own team, and yet the AFL keeps fudging the rules based on the bitching and moaning coaches.

btw., This isn't the same as the SPS or Kelly events, which is a case of obvious rules either not being implemented or totally ignored.

[Micky0]

To me, the biggest difference i see is that the WC players - similar to the Hawks players - COMPLAIN after every whistle - constant barrage of complaining. I wonder if that wears the umpire down or has that subconscious effect of putting in their mind oh that should be their free/they're complaining - it shouldn't have been a free?

Sounds ridiculous I know, but you watch our games - besides Simo, no one in our team consistently questions the umpiring.  Personally I think it's an ugly look and should not be tolerated, but it stands out to me as a difference of ours.

[crashlander]

To me, the biggest difference i see is that the WC players - similar to the Hawks players - COMPLAIN after every whistle - constant barrage of complaining. I wonder if that wears the umpire down or has that subconscious effect of putting in their mind oh that should be their free/they're complaining - it shouldn't have been a free?

Sounds ridiculous I know, but you watch our games - besides Simo, no one in our team consistently questions the umpiring.  Personally I think it's an ugly look and should not be tolerated, but it stands out to me as a difference of ours.

Indeed. They really do whinge. Almost everyone in the side goes the Umps and asks why they didn't get it.

[Thryleon]

Why do you think SPS copped a 50 metre penalty against?

Im sure we all asked for an explanation on how that was holding the ball, and the result was a 50 metre penalty.

[kruddler]

To me, the biggest difference i see is that the WC players - similar to the Hawks players - COMPLAIN after every whistle - constant barrage of complaining. I wonder if that wears the umpire down or has that subconscious effect of putting in their mind oh that should be their free/they're complaining - it shouldn't have been a free?

Sounds ridiculous I know, but you watch our games - besides Simo, no one in our team consistently questions the umpiring.  Personally I think it's an ugly look and should not be tolerated, but it stands out to me as a difference of ours.

There was some article/interview with Teague recently in which he said he wants our players to play with the right intentions.
He doesn't want our players mocking the opposition, or whinging or any of that. He wants us winning by playing like gentlemen essentially.

Its a terrific idea.....but i'm not sure its effective.

Prettu sure most teams that have won flags either physically, or mentally demolish their opponents.....or both.

Are we attempting to fight with 1 arm tied behind our backs?