Post Game Pondering: AFL 2020 Rd 9: Carlton vs Hawthorn

[LP]

Didn't we get the first 8 or so free kicks?

What is the relevance, Clarkson's bleating was about a very specific set of circumstances. Anyway I qualified my comments to after 1/2-time.

[madbluboy]

What is the relevance, Clarkson's bleating was about a very specific set of circumstances. Anyway I qualified my comments to after 1/2-time.

If the umps were favouring Clarko they wouldn't have paid the first 8 frees to us would they? We have been shafted a few games this year but yesterday was not one of them.

[LP]

If the umps were favouring Clarko they wouldn't have paid the first 8 frees to us would they? We have been shafted a few games this year but yesterday was not one of them.

Clarkson specifically bleated about holding the ball decisions inside the stoppages, and as a side line threw some rocks at Papley about milking frees, that was clearly adjudicated differently last night than it has been for weeks. Excluding the last few minutes when they went back the other way.

I actually defended Clarkson earlier in the week because the media verballed him over Papley.

Why would you come on here defending Clarkson bagging umpires anyway, do you like Clarkson, Dimma, Scott, et.al always bleating about the umpires?

I was actually glad to hear Teague say when asked about eh umpires that "He doesn't get too far into that!" Leave it to the official channels.

btw., I don't think the emphasis just change in our game, it appears to have changed in implementation across the board.  Really, it's moved back to what it was more like in seasons past, and benefited coaches who stubbornly refuse to change their plan, and disadvantaged coaches who setup for the new 2nd Rnd interpretation.

[31Tommys_barber]

Simple they were due for a win we were due for a loss, they bought in fresh players we flogged the same guys week after week. Finals fantasy over time to play fisher cottrell honey tdk etc with fresh legs and see what they can do. I also hate the shit Russell says about not being ready to play until a player does a “conditioning block”
If you can get the ball and kick it your conditioned enough

[Gointocarlton]

Simple they were due for a win we were due for a loss, they bought in fresh players we flogged the same guys week after week. Finals fantasy over time to play fisher cottrell honey tdk etc with fresh legs and see what they can do. I also hate the crap Russell says about not being ready to play until a player does a “conditioning block”
If you can get the ball and kick it your conditioned enough

Fresh legs, good point. Might need to rest a few and blood a few, might work.

[Micky0]

I actually think reality is biting.

Our best players Generally  when we win are the old guard. The new guard that has come up is.... cripps, Walsh.... and weitering. 

Who else do you ever feel 100% confident with,

How depressing.

[Lods]

I actually think reality is biting.

Our best players Generally  when we win are the old guard. The new guard that has come up is.... cripps, Walsh.... and weitering. 

Who else do you ever feel 100% confident with,

How depressing.

One of the concerning factors there is that Cripps is probably not in that new guard. He's 25 now and the manner in which he plays means that he may not play long into his 30s. So the window of success with Cripps is a narrowing one.
Weitering was a standout number one no-brainer and is starting to fulfil that potential.
While there may be some argument over whether Walsh was the best choice I'm more than happy with that selection.

But 100% confident with others...nope.
Not until we start to get some consistency of performance.

In 2017 we had five rising star  nominations in a season. Marchbank, SPS, Cunningham, Silvagni, Curnow.
Fast forward 3 years(and yes injury has played a fair part) but all these guys should now be hitting their peaks instead they struggle with injury or inconsistency.

Dow, Fisher, O'Brien are also players who should now be regular top 22.
Instead we have something of an old guard propping us up.
Something needs to click soon.

[IvanAwfulbigone]

Saturday night salt on Friday’s wound - Josh Kennedy sinks the Cats. The Judd deal officially became the “Dud” deal at 5:04pm on 29th September, 2018.

Back on point - what a fascinating team we are! Are there any psychologists/psychiatrists on this forum? When Hawthorn kicked those last 2 goals of the 1st quarter how many of us could see the fear in our boys eyes? That’s where it starts. I swear it’s almost like the players have a focus control knob, similar to binoculars. It slides a little and suddenly the ball isn’t bouncing where it should, the distance between you and your teammate is ‘off’, a bogey man lurks in the shadows.
Brisbane and Saints had no trouble scooting to a lead and then going on with it.
wtf is wrong with us?

[Macca37]

Agree.  Wayne Carey says 85% of football is played between the ears.

We know the list is fit and all the skills were on display for the first quarter and a half.

What happened in the halftime break?

Before worrying about bringing in new talent we need to clean up this mental fragility that persists year after year.

Perhaps we should be recruiting sports psychologists as a matter of urgency.

[Gointocarlton]

Saturday night salt on Friday’s wound - Josh Kennedy sinks the Cats. The Judd deal officially became the “Dud” deal at 5:04pm on 29th September, 2018.

Back on point - what a fascinating team we are! Are there any psychologists/psychiatrists on this forum? When Hawthorn kicked those last 2 goals of the 1st quarter how many of us could see the fear in our boys eyes? That’s where it starts. I swear it’s almost like the players have a focus control knob, similar to binoculars. It slides a little and suddenly the ball isn’t bouncing where it should, the distance between you and your teammate is ‘off’, a bogey man lurks in the shadows.
Brisbane and Saints had no trouble scooting to a lead and then going on with it.
wtf is wrong with us?

I would have thought after the 3rd goal in the second, you do something to stop the run/rot. Whether it be structural, something illegal, anything. We got off to a good start in the 2nd by kicking the first. They then kicked 9 of the next 10. How does that happen?