Post Game Pondering: AFL 2020 Rd 9: Carlton vs Hawthorn

[bignic]

First post in a long time.

Murphy is  gone. Without doubt, the worst turnover merchant in Carlton's history.
SPS not good enough, not strong enough.
Cunningham, doesn't want to get hurt. Couldn't stick an easy tackle in the first minute of the first quarter. Played one good game, the rest hopeless. Kicks the easy goal off other players hard work.
Ploughman, the least intelligent defender in the league, and there are a few of them around.
Moore, the less said the better.
Betts is past it. They won't drop him, and he'll kick the odd goal, but this must be his last year.

JACK MARTIN. The lazy way he ran at the Port Adelaide player in the last 40 seconds of that game,  who then got the ball  and resulted in the winning goal, watch the replay again if you missed it, is symptomatic of how his tackling effort  fades away during a game. And his inexcusable turnovers by foot, are embarrassing for a player of his ability.

I'm not going to go through the rest of them, I'll just leave the last blast for the coach.

MAKE SOME FREAKING POSITIONAL CHANGES DURING A GAME WHICH MIGHT CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE MATCH, INSTEAD OF SITTING IN THE BOX WITH A BLANK LOOK ON YOUR FACE, YOU IMBECILE.
IF YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF DOING THAT, THEN RESIGN AND LET US GET A COACH WHO CAN THINK OUTSIDE THE SQUARE. ONE EXAMPLE, YOU LEFT JONES ON THE PORT ADELAIDE FULL FORWARD DIXON THE WHOLE GAME. YOUR EXCUSE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE, WE THOUGHT HE WAS DOING A FAIR JOB. IMBECILES, ALL OF YOU. IT COST US THE GAME BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T AT THE VERY LEAST, GIVE WEITERING A GO ON HIM.

Yes, I'm upset. I reckon we need to recruit better, stronger, players, and we need a coach who is less a mate of the players, and more a tough disciplinarian, and has the foresight and intelligence to make changes and try something different during a game.

We are so inconsistent, we could come out and knock off the Eagles next week.

But if we do, don't let that fool you.

Let's just get through this cr@ppy year, and hopefully we get Charlie back, and Brodie Kemp can be all that he showed he could be, before he got the ACL.  Eddie and Murphy retire, Simmo, retire, trade SPS and a pick for Papley and give Teague an experienced assistant.

Then we might get somewhere.

[LP]

Let's just get through this cr@ppy year, and hopefully we get Charlie back, and Brodie Kemp can be all that he showed he could be, before he got the ACL.  Eddie and Murphy retire, Simmo, retire, trade SPS and a pick for Papley and give Teague an experienced assistant.

I'm worry that Barker has been a constant through the recent disappointing period, I realise everybody loves him, he is a nice bloke, but he's taken over the midfield and stoppages this year and Cripps looks broken.

I do not dare look at the history of Barker's responsibilities and our performance or player issues.

Is this unfair?

[laj]

Can't agree. I am simply commenting on presenting symptoms and facts. We're a moody side and have been for a long, long time... it's ingrained and we've been overtaken by sides who were in a similar situation to us not too long ago.

We've been up-and-coming for many years and the same symptom has persisted for at least the last 7 years... fold under pressure/ferocity from opponents, regardless of where they are on the ladder.

We and BrisVegas were in a very similar circumstance a few years back... with very similar age profiles. Their culture has changed and is definitive. Our culture has not changed, or at best is confusing but is certainly not definitive.

The 'she'll be right/lots like us/typical of up-and-comer' explanations don't wash with me - a recipe for ordinariness. And, 'The good and not so good players will sort itself out in the wash' is... well, wishy washy.

I stand by my comments that we're undisciplined and fold under pressure. We're still too nice and too introverted. What if the TT is getting the very best from this group at present?

As for your suggestion, '2 days ago we were a loss to Melbourne and a goal after the siren from being equal top of the ladder'... well that's every bit as invalid/irrelevant as my comment that we could be on the bottom. We are where we deserve to be... in the bottom section, and an erratic, inconsistent side that opponents know is fragile when the heat is brought.

Ignoring or pretending that the concerning symptoms can be explained away or not to be overly concerned about is a recipe for... well... more of the same, same old same old.

Thinking with your frustrations not your head. Too many of the usual knee jerk reactions. You have to accept they'll be up and downs at this stage and bad losses. We had out and out brilliance, Geelong and Bulldogs, and we've had shockers. Actually, it's only the 2nd hammering under Teague in 20 games and everyone loses their mind. We have quite a bit to go but the scoreboard shows we are alot better. Have a bad loss and everyone goes crazy. No proper analysis just knee jerk crazy. Not that bad losses are acceptable but they will happen. If people can't they are following the wrong sport. We have to sort out the difference between good and bad.

[laj]

We are so inconsistent, we could come out and knock off the Eagles next week.

But if we do, don't let that fool you.

If we do it'll again show we are on the way up. Like any side on the way up they'll be ups and downs and real inconsistencies.

Coach is 10-10, better than 1-11, 2-20. Doesn't happen overnight as much as everyone wants it to.

[LP]

Thinking with your frustrations not your head. Too many of the usual knee jerk reactions. You have to accept they'll be up and downs at this stage and bad losses. We had out and out brilliance, Geelong and Bulldogs, and we've had shockers. Actually, it's only the 2nd hammering under Teague in 20 games and everyone loses their mind. We have quite a bit to go but the scoreboard shows we are alot better. Have a bad loss and everyone goes crazy. No proper analysis just knee jerk crazy. Not that bad losses are acceptable but they will happen. If people can't they are following the wrong sport. We have to sort out the difference between good and bad.

[member=29]laj[/member]‍

We are breaking Cripps Laj, we can't keep doing this crap over and over again and expect to make progress.

Clarkson had his whinge, perhaps got some favour from the umpires, but the win came because he exposed the same old same old not because of the umpires. It's just the umpiring leaves fans with that perception of being ripped off!

Clarkson looked like the Grinch that Stole Christmas last night, I haven't seen him like that since he put the mocker on Fev's 100th goal kicking at Etihad.

But the loss is due to fundamental list issues, you can put an end to Clarkson's tactics quite easily, but you have to have players willing to get down and dirty! You can't win playing fair, he's developed tactics that disable fair opponents!

[capcom]

MAKE SOME FREAKING POSITIONAL CHANGES DURING A GAME WHICH MIGHT CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE MATCH, INSTEAD OF SITTING IN THE BOX WITH A BLANK LOOK ON YOUR FACE, YOU IMBECILE.

If we can see the effin' obvious, then he bloody well should. 

[Lods]

Looks like the honeymoon is over.

[Blue Moon]

When do these guys get sick of losing. Five goals up and start playing Hollywood. They start going for the ball with their arms instead of their bodies, they stop playing as a team, most selfish game I have ever see Patrick Cripps play, Murphy's kicking was appalling and there was absolutely no midfield pressure at all. If you can't win the ball and if you can't kick it to a team mate when you have got it, you are not going to win many games of football. Hawthorn's football IQ is so much superior to ours. They all can see an advantageous match up, they will all work out how to block an opponent to allow a team mate to have a free run at the ball and when they get their foot on the throat of an opposition team, they don't lift it off, unlike us. You think there is light at the end of the tunnel and it is always an oncoming train. I am really sick of it. The question is when will the players?

[dodge]

Every now and then I pop onto the Bomberblitz after their losses for a bit of light entertainment.

Unfortunately, it is becoming the same here - losses are the result of:
- lack of heart/will/on-field leadership
- coaching panel needs to go/develop another plan
- players are dumb
- umpires robbed us (not the case this week)

Hawks gave us plenty of space in the first quarter.  Once they denied us that, we had no idea how to create it ourselves (work hard), or cope with their pressure (work hard) or cope with our turnovers (manning up from time to time wouldn't hurt) - just assumed that if we try to play the way we did (without actually doing that), we would win.

Very disappointing.

[PaulP]

Every now and then I pop onto the Bomberblitz after their losses for a bit of light entertainment.

Unfortunately, it is becoming the same here - losses are the result of:
- lack of heart/will/on-field leadership
- coaching panel needs to go/develop another plan
- players are dumb
- umpires robbed us (not the case this week)
............................................

I'm surprised to hear that you've noticed a change, since in my 15 years of being here, those reasons have been given since day 1, unless my memory is faltering.