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If you are in the public eye, you just don't do what Vescio did, you don't lower yourself, you don't generate the canon fodder. It's a debate you can't win because your opponents are full of irrational ideas.
As Thry effectively points out, just gives an opportunity for miscreants to make the claim, "If a man did that....................!"
Many of the people who will react strongly to those comments in social media, are just looking for trouble, so why give them the ammo?
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(07-22-2020, 07:48 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Saw that.
Didn't have the same reaction to you.
I think those of us males who watch it and enjoy it are definitely in the minority. So that message speaks to the majority.
Her whole thing has always been very anti-male.
Given some estimates on the sexuality of the AFLW girls as a whole are very heavily weighted towards same sex inclinations.....its a little more undestandable.
If someone like you or me can their noses out of joint over something like that, imagine what it is like for them to get similar, or most likely worse, comments directed at them on a daily basis. With that in mind, i'm ok with what she said. Im more rational than most, but ive been pushed to my limit of late.
I wasn't one to make jokes about women growing up. I always thought it were unsavoury and not the aims of treating people equally.
The way we reach true equality is to practise equality. Not this sort of stuff. Its inflammatory, and will breed the next generation of oppressors only.
Stick to the, "she can, so she did" arguments. Its much more effective of building up the self esteem of females.
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Former Melbourne women’s captain Elise O’Dea could be on her way to Carlton as the Demons look to reinvigorate their AFLW list.
Dual All-Australian O’Dea, 28, is contracted for the 2021 season but weighing up requesting a trade to the Blues ahead of the AFLW sign and trade period which begins on August 3.
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(07-23-2020, 10:10 PM)LP link Wrote:Former Melbourne women’s captain Elise O’Dea could be on her way to Carlton as the Demons look to reinvigorate their AFLW list.
Dual All-Australian O’Dea, 28, is contracted for the 2021 season but weighing up requesting a trade to the Blues ahead of the AFLW sign and trade period which begins on August 3.
She's the type of player we could use, tough mid/HF, but i wouldn't want to give up too much for her.
Here is what we got for giving up Bri Davey (and 2 picks we wouldn't use 60+)
Lucy McEvoy
Brooke Vernon
Serena Gibbs
Courtney Jones
Obviously McEvoy is a gun, Vernon did play, Gibbs and Jones haven't debuted yet.
You could argue that McEvoy is every bit the player Davey is now (or will be) but we'll have her for longer. On top of that we have 3 bonus players.
Would you do that trade in reverse for O'Dea?
Every new draft that comes through, the talent gets better as they have 'grown up' watching the AFLW and training to make it.
Picks are worth more now than ever. I wouldn't want to be giving too many away.
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Former Carlton player Sophie Li retired last week too.
She left us for Adelaide and played in their premiership win, against us, on her birthday.
She is now the 4th player to retire from Adelaide this year.
Are their womens side going through something similar to their mens?
We have had no retirements over the same period.
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Sarah Hosking looks likely to join Nthmond, rumors are she'll depart our leadership group and enters their's with zero games, perhaps even the captaincy? Surely they aren't that bad they have to import a captain! :o
Whingers are winners, please Mr AFL, we are Nthmond, we ignored AFLW until we realised it's profitable, and now we want all the reward without the hard work, give us more concessions!
Anyway, one of my favourites so I wish her well, just not against us!
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(07-28-2020, 03:11 AM)LP link Wrote:Sarah Hosking looks likely to join Nthmond, rumors are she'll depart our leadership group and enters their's with zero games, perhaps even the captaincy? Surely they aren't that bad they have to import a captain! :o
Whingers are winners, please Mr AFL, we are Nthmond, we ignored AFLW until we realised it's profitable, and now we want all the reward without the hard work, give us more concessions!
Anyway, one of my favourites so I wish her well, just not against us!
Thats disappointing, but in football terms, i don't think we'll miss her.
However, she has her own podcast called "Behind the game changers" in which she interviews teammates and talks about all things Carlton. The last question she asks her guests is "What does it mean to you to be a game changer?" and explains that Carlton refers to the AFLW girls as game changers.
It is very much pro-carlton and pro-sticking together. She refused to acknowledge our former captain by name after she jumped ship. I think it was a directive from the club, as all the girls do it, but it spoke volumes that if you are not one of us, we don't have time for you.
Given all of the above, i don't know how she could live with herself by leaving.
Having said that, she was one of a only a couple who only signed a 1-year deal last year. Of all the ones who did, she had the most talent, even her sister signed for 2. So perhaps its been coming for a while?
Either way, i don't like it.
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Quote:However her days in navy blue look to be done, with her manager Alex Saundry confirming on Tuesday that Sarah was likely to join Richmond during the AFLW sign and trade period, which begins next month.
The trade is likely to involve the Tigers' end of first-round compensation pick, selection No.15 in the national draft, which is pick No.9 in the Victorian draft.
Quote:While the Blues are likely to lose Hosking, they are set to gain ex-Melbourne skipper Elise O'Dea, who is strongly considering a move to Carlton.
A host of other Demons including Maddy Guerin (also Carlton), Harriet Cordner (Richmond or the Western Bulldogs), Aliesha Newman (Collingwood) and Bianca Jakobsson (St Kilda) have also emerged as serious trade options as Melbourne look to improve their draft position this year.
Given Hosking didn't make the top 10 in our B+F, if we can get pick 15 for her (really pick 9), then that would be a huge win.
Potentially could use that pick on ODea? Although i'd prefer to use it in the draft i think.
Don't know anything about Maddy Guerin though.
Interesting Jakobsson looks to be off to her 3rd club after starting with us originally.
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It's not "stat footy" that Sarah Hosking brings though, she's a big pressure and 1% player.
I think Harf will be very disappointed.
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(07-28-2020, 08:23 AM)LP link Wrote:It's not "stat footy" that Sarah Hosking brings though, she's a big pressure and 1% player.
I think Harf will be very disappointed. Indeed. It will provide some big shoes for our recruits to fill.
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