Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

[Gointocarlton]

Same old same old - soft gentle kicks from the backline across the ground that miss their targets or are easy to contest.  Backline appearing disorganised because the ball comes in so often, quickly and easily.  Dumb bombs from defense into attack where we have a one on three.  Miss easy shots for a goal, particularly when some momentum is starting to build our way to ensure we don't get too confident and get on a roll.

Maybe it is part of the induction into Carlton that this is what is required at the club!

Perfect, you left out dumb free kicks but otherwise summarised Carlton FC to a tee.

[Macca37]

Very quiet on this site after a loss.

Mental fatigue. It's caused when pre-season optimism collides with reality

[Gointocarlton]

Mental fatigue. It's caused when pre-season optimism collides with reality

I hear ya brother.

[hitman]

Sick of watching and commenting on this crap. Why were so many players brushed off the ball by Saints? Intent? Core Strength? Our players are 3 years deep with "the best in the business". So for me it MUST be intent. I didn't see them fall over themselves.
Weitering early looked like a first year player - drinking the bathwater I hope not.
SPS needs to be dropped or play mid fwd. Problem is can't kick 40 metres for a set shot goal. Other than Stocker unsure who else they bring in.
Why wasn't McGovern played back, Try something ffs. He has played back in Adelaide. 3 tall fwd line wasn't working why persist? How do you get a leading option if your are coming through the guts and there are 3 fanning out? And when there is a lead up option how many times do we kick over the fwd head! Saints hit their targets - they aren't that much better than us.....are they?
If you are going to try Philp play Honey. Rather see 3rd tall be Kennedy. Does Sav Rocca still have a job as kicking coach? My God kicking for goal is a shambles. H has THE worst ball drop in the league. Yet we rush him back? Typical Carlton no matter who is coach or selector - see Kruzer over his career....
Maybe try De Koning, Kennedy, Stocker, Honey. Why not. Not like we are winning the flag. Try. Experiment. All the reasons the coach was employed. Hope he isn't getting fiddled with like a horse our Teaguey????

[laj]

We rocketed up the ladder from 12th to 11th today.

This mean 11 more losses and we'll be on top?...haha.

[Gointocarlton]

Sick of watching and commenting on this crap. Why were so many players brushed off the ball by Saints? Intent? Core Strength? Our players are 3 years deep with "the best in the business". So for me it MUST be intent. I didn't see them fall over themselves.
Weitering early looked like a first year player - drinking the bathwater I hope not.
SPS needs to be dropped or play mid fwd. Problem is can't kick 40 metres for a set shot goal. Other than Stocker unsure who else they bring in.
Why wasn't McGovern played back, Try something ffs. He has played back in Adelaide. 3 tall fwd line wasn't working why persist? How do you get a leading option if your are coming through the guts and there are 3 fanning out? And when there is a lead up option how many times do we kick over the fwd head! Saints hit their targets - they aren't that much better than us.....are they?
If you are going to try Philp play Honey. Rather see 3rd tall be Kennedy. Does Sav Rocca still have a job as kicking coach? My God kicking for goal is a shambles. H has THE worst ball drop in the league. Yet we rush him back? Typical Carlton no matter who is coach or selector - see Kruzer over his career....
Maybe try De Koning, Kennedy, Stocker, Honey. Why not. Not like we are winning the flag. Try. Experiment. All the reasons the coach was employed. Hope he isn't getting fiddled with like a horse our Teaguey????

That would resemble Plan B, We Are Carlton, We Dont Do Plan B.

[Baggers]

Sick of watching and commenting on this crap. Why were so many players brushed off the ball by Saints? Intent? Core Strength? Our players are 3 years deep with "the best in the business". So for me it MUST be intent. I didn't see them fall over themselves.
Weitering early looked like a first year player - drinking the bathwater I hope not.
SPS needs to be dropped or play mid fwd. Problem is can't kick 40 metres for a set shot goal. Other than Stocker unsure who else they bring in.
Why wasn't McGovern played back, Try something ffs. He has played back in Adelaide. 3 tall fwd line wasn't working why persist? How do you get a leading option if your are coming through the guts and there are 3 fanning out? And when there is a lead up option how many times do we kick over the fwd head! Saints hit their targets - they aren't that much better than us.....are they?
If you are going to try Philp play Honey. Rather see 3rd tall be Kennedy. Does Sav Rocca still have a job as kicking coach? My God kicking for goal is a shambles. H has THE worst ball drop in the league. Yet we rush him back? Typical Carlton no matter who is coach or selector - see Kruzer over his career....
Maybe try De Koning, Kennedy, Stocker, Honey. Why not. Not like we are winning the flag. Try. Experiment. All the reasons the coach was employed. Hope he isn't getting fiddled with like a horse our Teaguey????

Good stuff, Hitman.

Those four cats you mention, TDK, Kennedy, Stocker & Honey all have one thing in common... bit of mongrel, intensity/ferocity. And we like that and are desperate for it. As unpopular as this may be to say, we have no real ferocious mid of size with ability. Ed is tight and strong and won't shirk the issue and that's our closest - and his ability is limited. Gibbo has talent and some ferocity but is a runt. Crippa oozes talent but starts slowly and is something of a gentle giant. Murphy is skillful but nice and has trouble laying a tackle that hurts. Cuningham is talent+ but unreliable/inconsistent, Setters is busy trying to establish himself and seems to also be nice...

SPS has done a v good job stopping certain blokes but are we robbing Peter to pay Paul - pity Polson didn't work out in that regard? I'd prefer to see SPS as an outside mid but it's hard to find blokes who can lock down dangerous small forwards.

McGovern is a quandary. He's not likely to be dropped being The TT's boy who he got from the Crows. But he's another cameo kid like Cuningham (who returned to type against the Aints). We cannot afford such luxuries - players who pick and choose, fade in and out. He did look better when H wasn't there last week, perhaps when he has more responsibility he responds. His skill around goal is important. Perhaps Levi to the backline where he really did exceptionally well and Jones to a wing - he's quick and difficult to match up on. So two talls (H and McG) and a SOJ or Kennedy as the other taller type.

I honestly wonder where we would be this season without Martin (who is ferocious at the contest and belies his wiry frame)... zip and 5? Very likely. We are still very dependent on individual brilliance/talent... against the cheats.com.au it was Murphy's last qtr talent that set up so much and was critical to our win. Next week we're up against a side that plays as a team. Better get some ferocity pills to our hub asap.

[cookie2]

My biggest disappointment is SPS. He was recruited with a dynamic and tough reputation combined with great skills. Remember the kid from Halls Creek? To me he seems lackadaisical bordering on slapdash and has little relish for the physical contest or the tackle. Needs a spell on the coal face with the message "shape up or ship out".

[ElwoodBlues1]

My biggest disappointment is SPS. He was recruited with a dynamic and tough reputation combined with great skills. Remember the kid from Halls Creek? To me he seems lackadaisical bordering on slapdash and has little relish for the physical contest or the tackle. Needs a spell on the coal face with the message "shape up or ship out".

Agree Cookie, very frustrating player, has the skills but never impacts enough, will tease you with a nice piece of play then goes unsighted. Not physical but thats ok if you get the ball 30 times a game like a Craig Bradley and break up the opposition with line running and precision delivery but SPS just picks and chooses when he gets involved.
I'd be fielding offers at seasons end if he doesnt pick up the intensity, Cuningham is another frustrating player in the same boat IMO, you get teased with the BOG a week ago then it will be another 6 weeks before he impacts again.
Add Harry to that list too although I will cut him some injury slack and lack of continuity of games but when he lays back on some of those lazy kicks when we need a goal drives me nuts..kicks the boundary hard shot then misses the 30m gimme goal..FFS concentrate and look like its important to you..

[Gointocarlton]

Agree Cookie, very frustrating player, has the skills but never impacts enough, will tease you with a nice piece of play then goes unsighted. Not physical but thats ok if you get the ball 30 times a game like a Craig Bradley and break up the opposition with line running and precision delivery but SPS just picks and chooses when he gets involved.
I'd be fielding offers at seasons end if he doesnt pick up the intensity, Cuningham is another frustrating player in the same boat IMO, you get teased with the BOG a week ago then it will be another 6 weeks before he impacts again.
Add Harry to that list too although I will cut him some injury slack and lack of continuity of games but when he lays back on some of those lazy kicks when we need a goal drives me nuts..kicks the boundary hard shot then misses the 30m gimme goal..FFS concentrate and look like its important to you..

No argument from me. Problem is, no accountability. There are no consequences for lame efforts.