Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda

[Gointocarlton]

I'm sick of pissing 4 points down the drain through not being switched on. We've shown we can match it with any team but we just waste it too often. No point giving away 6 goals starts then whittling down to bugger all and losing, or, like last night, cut back half the margin. We showed against Geelong what we can do when we turn up to play. For 3 qtrs we smashed them on their own dog patch with sublime football. That's the standard and I expect it kept to. This has less to do with ability and more to do with a piss poor attitude. We're 8-8 under Teague, which we would've accepted at the time of his appointment, but $hit, we should've won quite a few more. We have just simply pissed so many games down the drain and has to stop.

120% agree with you, what I am saying is that it wont stop anytime soon, at least I cant see it.  They have form.

[Gointocarlton]

So everyone had heavy legs but Pittonet didn't?

Like Weiters getting easily outmarked by King, it was obvious Pittonet was 'tired'.....remember the guy has played about 5 or 6 games at this level....

Not sure why you single him out, he was off like many yet still managed 22 hit outs (same as Marshall).

Casboult can also ruck much better - he was out of sorts last night - some of the marks he missed.....crazy.

Steele holding Cripps off the ball blatantly must be addressed by the Club.

Pitto was nowhere near our worst, dont undestand some of the criticism. Wasnt slaughtered by Marshall as some are saying.

[Hubba]

Pitto had the most tackles on the ground for us.

How damning is that stat !!

[LP]

So everyone had heavy legs but Pittonet didn't?

Like Weiters getting easily outmarked by King, it was obvious Pittonet was 'tired'.....remember the guy has played about 5 or 6 games at this level....

Not sure why you single him out, he was off like many yet still managed 22 hit outs (same as Marshall).

Casboult can also ruck much better - he was out of sorts last night - some of the marks he missed.....crazy.

Weitering had problems because King wasn't required by the umpire to obey the rules, and because our lack of pressure up the field on the Aints ball-carrier left him one out at a disadvantage.

Pittonet and Casboult were beaten by superior ruckmen at the coalface with or without the tired legs, no external errors or excuses about a lack of team pressure or ball use are applicable. They are the first contest, and nobody is going to claim they broke even despite what the stats say. They were competitive, at least after 1/4 time, but that is far away from breaking even or winning.

You cannot claim you were in the contest if you run 2nd in a marathon a kilometre behind the winner!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Pittonet was reasonable because he competed...
re: Cripps and Steele....our man needs to make a statement, he walked to the middle saw Steele and their was resignation in his eyes
that it was going to be tough night and wasnt proactive enough.
Steele started the push and shove stuff and Cripps didnt react hard enough, one thing I have noticed with Bontempelli is that he wont put up with the holding/ manhandling anymore and will fight back rather than relying on the umpires.
I watched him take a great mark running back with the flight of the ball and his tagger didnt want a bar of it as the Bont crashed into him and kept his footing. Cripps is  too much the gentleman and its going to have to change, even softies like Cotchin respond now and as much as I hate J.Selwood he goes hard back at players who try and bully him.

Cripps needs to set the example or we can look forward to him, Docherty and Walsh being bullied every week.

[Micky0]

Dumb 50s, Dumb switches of play to 2 on 1s. These just dont happen every know and then, they happen all too often. People criticize the umps all the time, but was I the only one that noticed the repeat offended for HTB was Curnow? I counted at least 3 where he made no attempt what so ever to dispose of the ball, in a week were its been discussed ad nauseam and you know the umps are gonna be red hot on it. How many games has he played?

Good point!  I said to my partner I think when Setters was done, ffs, Clarkson complained about the lack of the call, yet you're not even pretending to get rid of it!

However what pisses me off even more is that they had incorrect disposal by at least 10 times I can recall off the top of my head, that were play on!

[ElwoodBlues1]

I know it's a screwed up season but our recruiting over the last few years (and the reasons behind them) should prompt a serious review and an all out attack on securing at least two big names.  Kreuzer, Murphy and Simpson must go by virtue of form if not age.  They're not alone by any means.

We can't continue "financing" incompetence.  At any level. 

Enjoy three more years of financing McGovern @ 800k a season...if he plays I'd have him down back and in the action so he is forced to compete. Threw one limp hand out in a ball winning attempt/semi tackle last night that a new born lamb could walk through and should have been dragged. Teague has to get tougher on players who wont commit and drag/drop them and make it clear you dont pick and choose when you go under his leadership.
The kid Long from Stkilda was committed to attacking the ball and while he doesnt have much profile or talent you can see he is a
player who will play a lot of footy under Ratten because he gives effort.

[LP]

However what pisses me off even more is that they had incorrect disposal by at least 10 times I can recall off the top of my head, that were play on!

 Yes the throws.

The one that pissed me off was Geary burying his elbow in the backs of a Carlton players head, he did it multiple times and it is always the elbow the umpire cannot see. A coach like Sheedy says that is good football, let's teach all the kids!

[JonDorotich]

Agree with almost everything that has been said

I’d be making a serious statement that enough is enough and Carlton won’t stand for ineptitude

I’d be dropping Murphy (effort), Plowman (effort/skill), Newnes (skill), Philp (not ready)

I’d play Casboult at CHB, Weitering FB
Jones on the wing or centre to provide big body support (and away from defence) to Cripps
McKay CHF, McGovern FF and Silvagni HFF.

Ins Silvagni, Honey (tough), Fisher, LOB.

[Gointocarlton]

I refuse to (as I always try to) partake discussion around umpiring, other than to say Carlton are the best at giving away stupid frees and 50s. There was absolutely no need to dump players after they had disposed of the ball, its poor and undisciplined. Its a weak as piss to bring it up IMO, it covers up Carlton's shortfalls. And can I say, Carlton supporters are the worst at it. I got a mate of mine who text me during games and ALWAYS "the umpires this, the umpires that", its BS AFAIC! Get our shit together Carlton and umpiring (good or bad) goes away. I heard nothing (or at least SFA) on umpiring after the Geel and Cheats games (ie W's), it seems to get highlighted most when we lose.