Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne

[shawny]

Lang was never an answer as a mid and I doubt I ever said as such....i can see why they picked him up (what 3 years ago now?) but he's had injuries and simply doesn't do enough now. Philp for him is a no brainer.

But, why hasn't had been given a crack in the guts?

The other two simply aren't getting their job done....still have high hopes for Setters, Newnes always just a soldier but didn't even do that last night.

That said, all of them were off the pace for a lot of it last night.

Who's our midfield coach? Big, big FAIL.

Clarkson wouldnt be able to help our midfield group.

You need the players to be able to coach them.

Apart from Walsh and Cripps the rest are not ready or most never will be.

Said it countless times you can’t keep selecting players other teams are throwing out and expect them to be the answer.

A blind man could see where we needed a massive boost and SOS never got it done. 

So glad we have someone else this trade period.

[DJC]

I realise it's foolish to try and be cheery in a losing post match thread, but take away that first q, and it's not all doom and gloom. We won the 2nd, 3rd and 4th q, had more scoring shots, more I50's, and frankly looked the better team for most of the match. Yes, it's only Melbourne, but if one of those behinds goes straight.................

I think that’s the issue Paul; we were the better team in terms of last season’s ladder position, strength on paper and our performance for two thirds of the game.  Even though we could have put a stronger team on the park, our lack of intensity and inability to play to a losing ruckman at the start of the game was inexcusable.  Surely Teague, Barker and Stanton would have prepared for Gawn having a picnic  :

[PaulP]

I think that’s the issue Paul; we were the better team in terms of last season’s ladder position, strength on paper and our performance for two thirds of the game.  Even though we could have put a stronger team on the park, our lack of intensity and inability to play to a losing ruckman at the start of the game was inexcusable.  Surely Teague, Barker and Stanton would have prepared for Gawn having a picnic  :

You can have all the plans in the world, but you can't execute the plan on the players' behalf. You can be quite certain the coaching group understood the ruck disparity and understood what Gawn can do, and I have no doubt that they planned for a few things, including rucking to his tap outs. But if the players don't get it, refuse to do it, or simply can't do it, there's little a coach can do IMO.

[rocky]

Hopeless. Seriously hopeless. Cannot see a light at the end of the tunnel. I see us plodding along through to another spoon this year. Then going through the motions to getting a couple of more wins next year after which time Cripps leaves us as a free agent to pursue a flag with WC. That will leave us shattered again for another decade before we inevitably try another rebuild.
From yesterday;
1. The club is seriously taking the P1ZZ out of every member at the CFC if they are seriously suggesting Darcy Lang is worthy of a spot in our best 22.
2. Murphy cannot play forward folks. They tried that last year before Teague took over and he was next to useless. He played much better when Teague put him back on the ball. Unfortunately he is giving us very little this year and I fear he is going back to his old ways. Lot's of touches of little value.
3. SPS. As bad a start from an individual as I've ever seen. Got better but he has zero physicality. Can't see him playing on the ball. Not tough enough.
4. Ghosts, Setterfield and Newnes.  Although, was Newnes tagging someone.
5. Weitering our best by far.
6. Ed took care of Petracca after getting the job. We just need to set him that job every week and nothing more.
7. McGovern. What a waste. Another CFC failure.
8. Sam Walsh had an average game and actually could have won it for us. With a 1:13 to go he kicks to McKay in a 2 on 1 which resulted in a free kick against. Then with just over a minute to go he had a kick to Jack Martin 20 metres out (or even Levi on the outside, 40 metres out) and unbelievably miss-kicked it straight onto Lever's chest. Can't go too hard on the boy, but there's the game right there.
9. Martin, great pick-up for nothing. I'd give him more of a run on the ball.
10. Pittonet. Not bad against the 2nd best ruck in the business and wasn't his fault our midfield are dopey MF's
11. Kicking at goal. At no stage do I think we will convert. Regardless of distance out or angle on goal. The miss by McGovern I could have kicked. He didn't even score. HE DIDN'T EVEN SCORE.
12. Backline good. Foward line average. Midfiled poor.

We'll be competitive against Geelong and lose but 30 or so points and lament that the effort against Geelong would have been enough to beat Melbourne by 5 goals.

[PaulP]

The other thing that needs to be said is that the opposition has now had a good look at Teague, and his coaching ideas, structures, set ups etc. Clearly they've done their homework, and the shock of the new is now history.

[PaulP]

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11. Kicking at goal. At no stage do I think we will convert. Regardless of distance out or angle on goal. The miss by McGovern I could have kicked. He didn't even score. HE DIDN'T EVEN SCORE.
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It's got to the point now where the only big man I want to be taking set shots is Levi. Amazingly, he is now our most reliable KP kick for goal.

Crazy.

[flyboy77]

Clarkson wouldnt be able to help our midfield group.

You need the players to be able to coach them.

Apart from Walsh and Cripps the rest are not ready or most never will be.

Said it countless times you can’t keep selecting players other teams are throwing out and expect them to be the answer.

A blind man could see where we needed a massive boost and SOS never got it done. 

So glad we have someone else this trade period.

Rubbish.

Walsh was poor yesterday. Had multiple chances to deliver passes I50 at critical stages and butchered them all. He wasn't alone!

Ed was ok, Muphy bruise free....

Setters chose to leave GWS - should be cherry ripe this year but....needs to be played somewhere where he can find some form (2s ideally in a normal world).

Lang chose to walk - was one of the Cats best in at least 1 of the finals he played before leaving. But shouldn't be picked again unless we have major injuries...would prefer Owies getting a game.

Newnes - was offered a deal at Saints but clearly had had a falling out with the hierarchy there - was never going to be an A grader there or here. In any event, not the reason we lost yesterday but he now has the same malaise that most of our team has....Ikonitis?

SPS - not tough enough? BS. Throw him into the middle, leave him there....

We have the capacity (or did) to pay for another A grader. A Wines or Crouch or the ilk far more important to us than a Tom Papley type....

[flyboy77]

It's got to the point now where the only big man I want to be taking set shots is Levi. Amazingly, he is now our most reliable KP kick for goal.

Crazy.

I gather Big H rather rates Big H.

That needs to be sorted.

[Professer E]

Who is the midfield coach?  Please tell me it's not that useless crap truck Barker.

Like everybody else I'm bewildered by the rinse and repeat same old crap that was dished up - on every level - yesterday.

I just don't see a way out if this.  We have,  seriously,  twenty players that have shown nothing on our list.  We can't draft (consistently), we can't acquire players,  we can't develop players, we lack football nous,
ability,  skill,  hardness,  smarts,  effort ....its a mobius loop of mediocrity going nowhere.

I'm utterly bereft how we're ever going to exit this situation.  We've had a parallel before.    Once hope and faith are lost,  and let's face it,  we're almost there,  the club is finished.  Like Fitzroy.

[shawny]

Rubbish.

Walsh was poor yesterday. Had multiple chances to deliver passes I50 at critical stages and butchered them all. He wasn't alone!

Ed was ok, Muphy bruise free....

Setters chose to leave GWS - should be cherry ripe this year but....needs to be played somewhere where he can find some form (2s ideally in a normal world).

Lang chose to walk - was one of the Cats best in at least 1 of the finals he played before leaving. But shouldn't be picked again unless we have major injuries...would prefer Owies getting a game.

Newnes - was offered a deal at Saints but clearly had had a falling out with the hierarchy there - was never going to be an A grader there or here. In any event, not the reason we lost yesterday but he now has the same malaise that most of our team has....Ikonitis?

SPS - not tough enough? BS. Throw him into the middle, leave him there....

We have the capacity (or did) to pay for another A grader. A Wines or Crouch or the ilk far more important to us than a Tom Papley type....

What’s rubbish is your optimism.  You talk us up every single preseason then back flip 2 rounds in.

We are a laughing stock again. Already the media is into us and I don’t blame them.
20 years of rubbish.
Apart from Cripps Weitering and Doc our list is overrated and over hyped by supporters who refuse to accept we are and will stay a bottom team.

If we didn’t have a rebuild 5 years ago some would say we need one now. That’s how far off it we are. You say we have a better list then loins. My god!!!

But we have so much potential....heard it all year in year out. blah blah blah.
Proof is in the pudding. 2 rounds in and we already sit 2nd last on the ladder.

Heard today we haven’t spent one week in the top 8 since 2015!

Mark my words many on here will soon be questioning Teague and will say he is the problem and has to go.

Rinse and repeat.