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(03-26-2020, 05:49 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Ditto, nothing like watching Len Clark, Peter Weightman, David Dickson etc doing their thing in Red...as NavyM suggested this might lead to something better long term and I have always been a fan of a standalone Blues lineup in the VFL.
Bit sad to see Fraser and other's lose jobs, these are tough times and hope they can find some other footy employment when things settle.
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One of a raft of changes coming up due to the CV crisis, list numbers, coaching numbers (soft cap reduction), admin staff numbers (recruiting will be one of the hardest hit). As for the game, the 16 min qtrs will be here to stay.
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(03-26-2020, 08:37 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:One of a raft of changes coming up due to the CV crisis, list numbers, coaching numbers (soft cap reduction), admin staff numbers (recruiting will be one of the hardest hit). As for the game, the 16 min qtrs will be here to stay. In my opinion that is going to have a huge effect on drafting and team tactics, slower players, guys who battle on with strength, power and endurance are going to be greatly disadvantaged. These are guys who regularly come good towards the end of quarters like Cripps and Pendlebury.
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(03-26-2020, 09:18 PM)LP link Wrote:In my opinion that is going to have a huge effect on drafting and team tactics, slower players, guys who battle on with strength, power and endurance are going to be greatly disadvantaged. These are guys who regularly come good towards the end of quarters like Cripps and Pendlebury. Its a return to the good old days (thank fark). Was listening to Ross Lyon talk about a recent coaching experience, he talked about when he coached the International Rules team, he said there was him, Clarkson (I think) and one ther coach and one IT guy. Thats it. He reckons they all commented about how much purer it was. Know I bet you will all moan and groan but I 110% agree with this. All we have done is copied the NFL (utterly crape game for mine) model for coaching numbers, the game is none the better IMHO.
As for drafting players with big tanks, atheletic abilities but cant kick a footy to save themselves, we are a prime example of this.
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(03-26-2020, 11:04 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Its a return to the good old days (thank fark). Was listening to Ross Lyon talk about a recent coaching experience, he talked about when he coached the International Rules team, he said there was him, Clarkson (I think) and one ther coach and one IT guy. Thats it. He reckons they all commented about how much purer it was. Know I bet you will all moan and groan but I 110% agree with this. All we have done is copied the NFL (utterly crape game for mine) model for coaching numbers, the game is none the better IMHO.
As for drafting players with big tanks, atheletic abilities but cant kick a footy to save themselves, we are a prime example of this.
Firstly, I think we are talking about two different problems, the number of coaches is a separate issue to the shorter quarters;
On the coaches, these famous photographs have been floating around for a while, more coaches than team!
[img width=450]https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/AM-6788_Main_1024x315_a1.jpg[/img]
[img width=450]https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Images/AM%206788_Main_1024x315_2.jpg[/img]
Anybody who can't see the above problem must be blind, more coaches than players!
I wonder how many coaches would fair if you remove this ridiculous support system, it's not infeasible that some high end coaches might be better at utilizing assistant coaches than they are at actually coaching players.
On the shortening of the quarters and the players, the problem is strength and power players are disadvantaged because fatigue won't set in with enough of the quarter left. Guys like Cripps and Pendlebury will be devalued because the quarter is over before their main strength kicks in, it's similar to the old adage that taller players don't get shorter when legs get tired but if the quarter ends before the legs get tired!
Pendlebury and Cripps need more game time so that they can make use of their skills instead of chasing blokes they cannot catch.
It's the current rotation system with shorter quarters that allows a bloke like Prestia to dominate a Cripps. Short quarters, fresh legs, lots of interchange and video MRP would leave Diesel a spud! That is not the football I want to watch, I want the guys like Diesel, Sam Mitchell, Cripps, etc., etc., to star, blokes who need lots of physical contests!
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The number of "coaches" is past the point of absurd and diminishes the authority of the senior guy .... it resembles the growth in public service do nothing paper shufflers.
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A sad demise of a VFA powerhouse. The local derbies at Bell or Cramer Streets were always good contests, regardless of ladder positions.
I was less on edge watching the derby when it was at the City Oval in Bell Street : 
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(03-27-2020, 01:13 AM)capcom date Wrote:The number of "coaches" is past the point of absurd and diminishes the authority of the senior guy .... it resembles the growth in public service do nothing paper shufflers. Or, with so many to spare, they can be used as falls guys taking the blame for your own ineptitude!
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(03-26-2020, 11:04 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Its a return to the good old days (thank fark). Was listening to Ross Lyon talk about a recent coaching experience, he talked about when he coached the International Rules team, he said there was him, Clarkson (I think) and one ther coach and one IT guy. Thats it. He reckons they all commented about how much purer it was. Know I bet you will all moan and groan but I 110% agree with this. All we have done is copied the NFL (utterly crape game for mine) model for coaching numbers, the game is none the better IMHO.
As for drafting players with big tanks, atheletic abilities but cant kick a footy to save themselves, we are a prime example of this.
OFFENSE
Offensive coordinator
Quarterbacks coach
Running backs coach
TIght end coach
Wide receiver coach
Offensive line coach
DEFENSE
Defensive line coach
Linebackers coach
Defensive backs coach
SPECIAL TEAMS
Special teams coach
The NFL is different because they have positional coaches. As each position needs to be taught a completely different set of skills to another one.
Some blokes will touch it 99% of all plays they are on the ground
Some blokes will never touch a football in their whole career.
Some blokes the ball will only ever touch their hands.
Some blokes the ball will only ever touch their foot
Some blokes will never lay a tackle in their career
Some blokes will have body contact on every play of their career
All that being said....the NFL teams have 50 or so players suited up ready to get on the field on a moments notice....
...and they STILL only have 15 'coaches' on average.
So they need their coaches, we don't....and we still have more coaches/analysts and yes man.
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(03-26-2020, 08:38 AM)capcom link Wrote:Ray Shaw, Doc Reid ... still have my player worn bullants jumper from 1980. To me it's priceless Yes, even managed to barrack for Ray Shaw, that was tough work for a while but I got there...haha.
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