Pre Game Permutations: AFL 2020 R1 Carlton vs Richmond

[shawny]

I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?

Ed C? Didn't see him much either?

Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....

Cuners should have played - he can add spark.

Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.

Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.

Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.

The issue is fly you are willing to count in  blokes like setterfield Kennedy Cunningham that are not proven footballers to turn the switch and become the players we need which is wishful thinking. The fact is many kids with potential don’t make it or take a lot longer then supporters think to become regular and consistent footballers. (Sam Walsh aside).

I’m so annoyed in the 5th year of the rebuild our hopes are still hinged on kids taking the next step because what should be our core group in the 23-28 year bracket is apart from Cripps and Docherty the worst group in the AFL as the blokes we traded in to strengthen it were fringe players at best.

Yet Im told SOS did an amazing job.

Joke.

[kruddler]

The issue is fly you are willing to count in  blokes like setterfield Kennedy Cunningham that are not proven footballers to turn the switch and become the players we need which is wishful thinking. The fact is many kids with potential don’t make it or take a lot longer then supporters think to become regular and consistent footballers. (Sam Walsh aside).

I’m so annoyed in the 5th year of the rebuild our hopes are still hinged on kids taking the next step because what should be our core group in the 23-28 year bracket is apart from Cripps and Docherty the worst group in the AFL as the blokes we traded in to strengthen it were fringe players at best.

Yet Im told SOS did an amazing job.

Joke.

 Just some stats re age of our list.

We have 20 players on our list who are 23 and over. 
4 of those came in the offseason (Pittonet, Newnes, Martin and Betts)
1 more the year before (McGovern)
2 more are rookies who have joined in the same period (Gibbons and Goddard)

Leaving just 13 senior players  (23 or older) who have been on the list for 2 or more years....and 7 others still finding their feet.

Throw in Docherty and Marchbank who are in that group but have barely played through injury....and you are down to half a team.

We have 8 players who are 22 curently. This is Silvagnis first draft class coming through.
In that draft (and trade period) he added...
Weitering
McKay
Curnow (23)
Cuningham
Jack Silvagni
and also Plowman (25) via trade. 

Not a bad start if you ask me.
Besides the 5 draftees, we also have Kennedy, Setterfield (both SOS trades), SPS (drafted the following year) and Owies (cat b rookie) as 22 yo's.

THESE are the players that you can judge SOS on as that is the start of his reign. These are the players that are entering their prime and by seasons end we will be able to judge them once and for all.

We have 17 other players who are 21 and under!

[WASurfer]

The decision to offload Thomas is looking sillier by the minute based on the terrible skills on display in the last fortnight. His best was past him for sure and his kicking lacked depth, but he was smarter than most of the blokes on the list and used the ball well when he got it...albeit over small distances. What we wouldn't give at the moment for a few blokes who can kick it 30m straight to a team mate.

I think Martin will be a huge plus once the season gets going. He's one who's got that bit of X-Factor and we haven't got too many of those.

I wouldn't criticise the decision on Kemp just yet. He was very highly rated and looks like a great size and could end up being that Elliot Yeo type who can play nearly anywhere.

But agree on the other points with so many of our younger blokes who've stalled or even gone backwards....Walsh being the exception. Go back to that 2015 draft with Weitering, Curnow, McKay and Cunningham in the top 20. They've all struggled at times with form/fitness/injuries and right now, Weitering is the only one playing! That's a huge hit with blokes coming into their 5th season of footy. Then the likes of Fisher, Dow and O'Brien who just haven't come on and even SPS has been an issue apart from some solid form in some games last year. There's 7 younger players right there that we've been waiting for.

[LP]

The decision to offload Thomas is looking sillier by the minute .

It surely can't look any sillier than it did at the time it happened! :o

It's too late now the deal is done, and I doubt we will ever really know the true why and how!

[shawny]

Just some stats re age of our list.

We have 20 players on our list who are 23 and over.
4 of those came in the offseason (Pittonet, Newnes, Martin and Betts)
1 more the year before (McGovern)
2 more are rookies who have joined in the same period (Gibbons and Goddard)

Leaving just 13 senior players  (23 or older) who have been on the list for 2 or more years....and 7 others still finding their feet.

Throw in Docherty and Marchbank who are in that group but have barely played through injury....and you are down to half a team.

We have 8 players who are 22 curently. This is Silvagnis first draft class coming through.
In that draft (and trade period) he added...
Weitering
McKay
Curnow (23)
Cuningham
Jack Silvagni
and also Plowman (25) via trade.

Not a bad start if you ask me.
Besides the 5 draftees, we also have Kennedy, Setterfield (both SOS trades), SPS (drafted the following year) and Owies (cat b rookie) as 22 yo's.

THESE are the players that you can judge SOS on as that is the start of his reign. These are the players that are entering their prime and by seasons end we will be able to judge them once and for all.

We have 17 other players who are 21 and under!

It’s not the number we have it’s the lack of quality in it.

The names you mentioned apart from 3-4 don’t exactly put the fear of god in the opposition do they. Like many on here your clinging on to bloke you hope will become players but as the years go on those numbers will start dwinding.

Spin it any way you want but apart from weitering plowman Charlie and maybe McKay the rest are fails or jury out at best till this point.

Good luck hanging a seasons success on that group.

[townsendcalling]

We are now that dumb as a club we use our first pick in the last draft on a bloke that just did his acl and won’t even play this year.

We shouldn’t be expecting our top draft picks to be breaking into the senior team in their first year. Professional teams give them an apprenticeship. He’ll be built up nicely by the time next year comes around and would have been through a full and complete recovery, maybe honing skills along the way!! By all accounts he’s the real deal so let’s see him develop and not consider him a savior who isn’t available. 

[shawny]

We shouldn’t be expecting our top draft picks to be breaking into the senior team in their first year. Professional teams give them an apprenticeship. He’ll be built up nicely by the time next year comes around and would have been through a full and complete recovery, maybe honing skills along the way!! By all accounts he’s the real deal so let’s see him develop and not consider him a savior who isn’t available. 

Im not expecting a saviour from a kid but when you are in need of a boost and a boost in a hurry why select a player that has no chance to play till next year and one that already has a weakness with doing an acl. He will be at least one years development off everyone else taken in the same draft.

Do we have the list that has time to be that patient ? Surely there were other options that outweigh waiting a year before our pick gets his first look.  Bet you he would have been there with our second selection. Raised eyebrows on the night and still does imo.

[Gointocarlton]

We shouldn’t be expecting our top draft picks to be breaking into the senior team in their first year. Professional teams give them an apprenticeship. He’ll be built up nicely by the time next year comes around and would have been through a full and complete recovery, maybe honing skills along the way!! By all accounts he’s the real deal so let’s see him develop and not consider him a savior who isn’t available. 

Im not going to judge the players we just drafted. My issue is the ones that have been there 2,3, 4 and 5 years. So far, aside from a few, I am more on the disappointed side of the ledger.

[capcom]

Which speaks to a reliance on hope more than warranted faith. 

[kruddler]

It’s not the number we have it’s the lack of quality in it.

The names you mentioned apart from 3-4 don’t exactly put the fear of god in the opposition do they. Like many on here your clinging on to bloke you hope will become players but as the years go on those numbers will start dwinding.

Spin it any way you want but apart from weitering plowman Charlie and maybe McKay the rest are fails or jury out at best till this point.

Good luck hanging a seasons success on that group.

 Point is you cannot hang your hat on them, nor rule them out from making it because only NOW are they starting to get to a stage in their development at which you can be certain one way or another.