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(12-17-2019, 12:16 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think TM was No 1 for effective disposals in 2018, as well as clangars so my point is by sheer weight of numbers he is effective so even if he butchers his fair share
the ball is going Hawthorns way more often than not and if TM has the ball then the opposition dont.
He might not be Pendles with the ball but that doesnt mean you can disrespect him like we did and rack up 45 possies and hand him three brownlow votes...
Clayton Oliver is the specialist at this. Stats don't take into account how many of his panic-chuck handballs go to a teammate who gets smashed straight away.
His kicking is usually pretty horrendous. Always handballs with the intent of getting it back in quick 1 - 2s. Obviously only interested in his stats at the end of the day. Can come away looking great when the team wins but last year he looked like a busted ar5e.
I honestly wouldn't want him at Carlton. Such a selfish player is not going to work out over the long run.
To think people were comparing him to Cripps FFS!
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(11-29-2019, 10:40 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Here is my best 22, and my second best 22
[table]
[tr][td]B[/td]
[td]Docherty[/td]
[td]Weitering[/td]
[td]Plowman[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]B2[/td]
[td]Polson[/td]
[td]Goddard[/td]
[td]Macreadie[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HB[/td]
[td]Newman[/td]
[td]Jones[/td]
[td]Simpson[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HB2[/td]
[td]Stocker[/td]
[td]Marchbank[/td]
[td]Williamson[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]C[/td]
[td]Newnes[/td]
[td]Cripps[/td]
[td]Martin[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]C2[/td]
[td]Philps[/td]
[td]Kennedy[/td]
[td]Obrien[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HF[/td]
[td]Murphy[/td]
[td]Charlie[/td]
[td]Cuningham[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HF2[/td]
[td]Kemp[/td]
[td]Casboult[/td]
[td]Honey[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]FF[/td]
[td]Betts[/td]
[td]McKay[/td]
[td]McGovern[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]FF2[/td]
[td]Lang[/td]
[td]De Koning[/td]
[td]Owies[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R[/td]
[td]Kreuzer[/td]
[td]Walsh[/td]
[td]Ed[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R2[/td]
[td]Pittonet[/td]
[td]Dow[/td]
[td]Gibbons[/td][/tr]
[tr][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]INT[/td]
[td]SPS[/td]
[td]Jack[/td]
[td]Fisher[/td]
[td]Setterfield[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]INT2[/td]
[td]Ramsay[/td]
[td]Ben[/td]
[td]Cottrell[/td]
[td]Odwyer[/td]
[td]Phillips[/td][/tr]
[/table]
Great stuff, Kruddler. My only changes would be Setterfield to a wing in place of Newnes and Gibbons to the bench.
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I think we forget just how good Sam Doherty was in 2017. He played every game and averaged 27.9 disposals, 5.7 rebound 50s, 504m gained, 6.3 intercept possessions and 3.3 tackles per match.
He was bloody good! Add the footy IP he has gained over the past two years, to that onfield talent and we might just have the recruit of the year. The main question would be will 2 JLT games be enough leD in or does he need time in the NBs??
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@TC
I think we forget just how good Sam Doherty was in 2017.
Boy that seems like an awfully long time ago now!
Reality always wins in the end.
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(12-28-2019, 10:03 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:I think we forget just how good Sam Doherty was in 2017. He played every game and averaged 27.9 disposals, 5.7 rebound 50s, 504m gained, 6.3 intercept possessions and 3.3 tackles per match.
He was bloody good! Add the footy IP he has gained over the past two years, to that onfield talent and we might just have the recruit of the year. The main question would be will 2 JLT games be enough leD in or does he need time in the NBs??
I don't think anyone's forgotten how good he was. We are just tempering our expectations as the bloke has played 0 football for 2 seasons and just having him back out there and not getting hurt is a win for both him and the club. He can save his career best form for finals.
"everything you know is wrong"
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(12-29-2019, 03:42 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I don't think anyone's forgotten how good he was. We are just tempering our expectations as the bloke has played 0 football for 2 seasons and just having him back out there and not getting hurt is a win for both him and the club. He can save his career best form for finals. If only the same could be said with people in regards to willo.
Has played about the same, but hadn't even cemented a spot in the side beforehand...unlike doc who was AA and best and fairest.
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I (12-29-2019, 08:48 AM)kruddler link Wrote:If only the same could be said with people in regards to willo.
Has played about the same, but hadn't even cemented a spot in the side beforehand...unlike doc who was AA and best and fairest. No one is suggesting he was AA
His form was very good in 2017 for an 18 year old.
He is a good kick, fast and tough.
Carlton don’t have many like that so the enthusiasm in his ability is understandable
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(12-29-2019, 08:52 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:I No one is suggesting he was AA
His form was very good in 2017 for an 18 year old.
He is a good kick, fast and tough.
Carlton don’t have many like that so the enthusiasm in his ability is understandable
Agree, for a pick 60 odd you dont get much better, its been a real shame too see him struggle with his back as he is
a very decent player who is the complete package IMO and not the usual Von Trapp like kid we tend to recruit
who is skillful but lacks in the physical aspects of the game. Williamson impressed from day 1 and would be an automatic
in my best 22 if fit and firing.
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Ang Christou was AA once upon a time.
Had back issues and never recovered.
Could barely get a game (in a better side, sure) and never recaptured his pre-injury form. Lucky to play half the games in any given year since.
He WAS AA, and couldn't recover.
Willo is still a kid, and as good as he might have been, never showed as much as Ang at the same age.....and will likely never reach his own potential.
IMO, Willo is more likely to be delisted than be a regular in a few years time.
I hope i'm wrong, but statistically, back injuries ruin careers more than just about any other injury i think.
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(12-29-2019, 11:53 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Ang Christou was AA once upon a time.
Had back issues and never recovered.
Could barely get a game (in a better side, sure) and never recaptured his pre-injury form. Lucky to play half the games in any given year since.
He WAS AA, and couldn't recover.
Willo is still a kid, and as good as he might have been, never showed as much as Ang at the same age.....and will likely never reach his own potential.
IMO, Willo is more likely to be delisted than be a regular in a few years time.
I hope i'm wrong, but statistically, back injuries ruin careers more than just about any other injury i think.
I think the discussion was based on if everyone is fit and firing.
Fit and firing Willo is easy best 22
What may or may not happen injury wise is a completely different thing
And Willo has easily shown what Christou did at the same age when fit.
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