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#91
Newnes is a Wing/HFF, he's not a HBF.

If any of the new players are going to play off the HBF it's most likely to be Martin.

What does Simmo do if he finds himself in the Maggoos Rnd 1?
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#92
Assuming everyone is fit:

Defenders:
Newman, Weitering, Plowman, Petrevski-Seton, Docherty, Jones, Simpson, Newnes

Midfielders:
Setterfield, Cripps, Walsh, Casboult, Kreuzer, Curnow, E, Murphy

Forwards:
Silvagni, J, McKay, Betts, Martin, Curnow, C, McGovern, Gibbons

Stiff to miss out:
Stocker, Marchbank, Dow, Cuningham, Kennedy, Williamson, O'Brien

There's a lot of versatility in our list now with several players more than capable of holding down roles as forwards, defenders or midfielders.

(12-16-2019, 05:47 AM)LP link Wrote:Newnes is a Wing/HFF, he's not a HBF.

Newnes describes himself as a defender/midfielder in the article I quoted from LP (now behind the paywall).  He said that he'll play any role apart from defensive half forward,

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#93
(12-16-2019, 05:58 AM)DJC link Wrote:Assuming everyone is fit:

Defenders:
Newman, Weitering, Plowman, Petrevski-Seton, Docherty, Jones, Simpson, Newnes

Midfielders:
Setterfield, Cripps, Walsh, Casboult, Kreuzer, Curnow, E, Murphy

Forwards:
Silvagni, J, McKay, Betts, Martin, Curnow, C, McGovern, Gibbons

It seems to make sense if you just picked a team on best in a role but where is the speed?

That is one of the slowest possible teams you can build from our list!

(12-16-2019, 05:58 AM)DJC link Wrote:Newnes describes himself as a defender/midfielder in the article I quoted from LP (now behind the paywall).  He said that he'll play any role apart from defensive half forward,

Hope he proves me wrong, if he does what of Simmo?

I think it's a big assumption to have Doc as a defender, he might not have the speed/run he had previously. I can see him turning over the HBF responsibilities to Stocker, SPS, O'Brien and others and heading into the midfield to support Ed and sMurph.

I expect guys like Dow, Fisher and Newnes will be the run and speed on the wings, no matter where they think they are best suited.

I've based this purely on the perceived attributes of certain players and what we lack as a group.
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#94
(12-16-2019, 06:24 AM)LP link Wrote:It seems to make sense if you just picked a team on best in a role but where is the speed?

That is one of the slowest possible teams you can build from our list!

Hope he proves me wrong, if he does what of Simmo?

I think it's a big assumption to have Doc as a defender, he might not have the speed/run he had previously. I can see him turning over the HBF responsibilities to Stocker, SPS, O'Brien and others and heading into the midfield to support Ed and sMurph.

I expect guys like Dow, Fisher and Newnes will be the run and speed on the wings, no matter where they think they are best suited.

I've based this purely on the perceived attributes of certain players and what we lack as a group.

Not sure I'd be playing a bloke coming off two ACL's in the midfield, reckon straight ahead off the back flank nice and easy is the way to go.
One of our problems is smaller defenders who actually defend, we dont really have any apart from Stocker IMO, the others all play the rebound role well but
dont pick up a man and thats why someone like Plowman will get a game as his major attribute is defense.
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#95
(12-16-2019, 07:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Not sure I'd be playing a bloke coming off two ACL's in the midfield, reckon straight ahead off the back flank nice and easy is the way to go.

One of our problems is smaller defenders who actually defend, we dont really have any apart from Stocker IMO, the others all play the rebound role well but
dont pick up a man and thats why someone like Plowman will get a game as his major attribute is defense.

There are no straight ahead positions in modern football, and if you are at all suspect the opposition will take full advantage of it.

I think SPS defends fine but his pace is always a question mark, I think Newman did fine last season and will only get better with better players around him. O'Brien will be bigger and stronger this season.

I'm keen to see what Teague can deliver.
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#96
(12-16-2019, 08:53 AM)LP link Wrote:There are no straight ahead positions in modern football, and if you are at all suspect the opposition will take full advantage of it.

I think SPS defends fine but his pace is always a question mark, I think Newman did fine last season and will only get better with better players around him. O'Brien will be bigger and stronger this season.

I'm keen to see what Teague can deliver.

Funny I think SPS is quick enough but he doesnt stay with his man, Newman is a good interceptor rebounder but another IMHO who doesnt defend
that well all the time. Weitering and Plowman are our only traditional lock down types IMO.
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#97
(12-15-2019, 10:40 PM)jeza link Wrote:So you prefer Plow - that's fine - but who is he replacing - it is bl00dy tough to find a spot:

B  Caleb MARCHBANK  Liam JONES  Nic NEWMAN
       
HB  Kade SIMPSON  Jacob WEITERING  Sam DOCHERTY

I think he would be head to head with Marchbank and that's a no-brainer for me. Plow would be the first one called on if there was an injury but I can't see him in the best 22 even if he did finish 3rd in the B&F.

I don't think its just me that prefers plow. As mentioned, he came 3rd in the B+F. Coaches love him too.

I already said Marchbank will need to earn his stripes, so take out Marchy and put in Plowman.

Back 6...
Plowman Weitering Docherty
Simpson Jones Newman

With other options....
Newnes, Martin, SPS taking the wings and a bench spot, but all capable of playing half back if required
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#98
I have to say I’m really surprised at how few rate Cunningham- if fit, he’d be one of the first I’d pick. Talent to burn and very dangerous around goal. Couldn’t possibly play Gibbons ahead of him?
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#99
(12-16-2019, 06:24 AM)LP link Wrote:It seems to make sense if you just picked a team on best in a role but where is the speed?

That is one of the slowest possible teams you can build from our list!

Hope he proves me wrong, if he does what of Simmo?

I think it's a big assumption to have Doc as a defender, he might not have the speed/run he had previously. I can see him turning over the HBF responsibilities to Stocker, SPS, O'Brien and others and heading into the midfield to support Ed and sMurph.

I expect guys like Dow, Fisher and Newnes will be the run and speed on the wings, no matter where they think they are best suited.

I've based this purely on the perceived attributes of certain players and what we lack as a group.

OK, I admit that I forgot Fisher, but his 2019 was forgettable.

Who would you swap to gain speed LP?

If you accept that there are different aspects of speed; initial acceleration, closing speed, lateral movement speed, run down speed, run away speed, etc, I would argue that blokes like Jones, Samo, Simpson, Murphy, Martin, Betts, McKay, the Curnows, Gibbons and Newman are among our speediest players.  Newnes probably fits in there too.

As for Doc, there’s no reason why his ACL should hinder his return to All Australian defender status.  The way he is moving at training suggests that he’ll take up where he left off.  He could have the occasional stint in the midfield but he’s not a natural midfielder.
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(12-16-2019, 11:33 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:I have to say I’m really surprised at how few rate Cunningham- if fit, he’d be one of the first I’d pick. Talent to burn and very dangerous around goal. Couldn’t possibly play Gibbons ahead of him?

It's not that he isn't rated.  Its literally to do with him being a glass man.
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