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(09-16-2019, 02:08 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Paine must go - his decision to bowl cost us the Test match and the Series win.
What the f.. was he thinking? Very little. Time Paine has always been a stop gap Captain until someone else comes out of the woodwork. Unfortunately, nobody really has as yet. Being Captain has hurt his game, both batting and fielding. His replacement as a keeper is probably not far away. But who will Captain after him is an issue with no obvious answer as yet.
As for your specific question, bowling first on this pitch was an extremely poor idea and it probably cost us the match. Instead of being able to bat our way to a decent total and control the game, we were reacting all of the time, not setting the agenda.
I think Paine will learn from his mistakes, but I am not sure he will be there long enough for that to be important.
(09-16-2019, 02:08 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Why the f... were Warner and Harris retained? Diabolical decisions. Really, apart from Smith, and to a lesser affect Wade, the batting this tour has been very ordinary. Had Smith not been so dynamic, we would have lost, no two ways about it. The bowlers dominated the series on pitches that were bowler friendly.
I think you will notice that the batsmen will improve when we play at home. Warner, when the ball doesn't move around quite so much, will be a much stronger option.
The reality of the situation is simple: we have one top batsman in any conditions (Smith). The rest make up the numbers. We will see just which ones come to the party when the season starts in Australia.
(09-16-2019, 02:08 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Why was Starc overlooked for the 125k an hour man Siddle. Stupefying. This was not a decision that I can explain. Sidds has been a warrior for a long time, but his present pace is questionable when there were guys like Starc available. I would like to have seen Starc play to get him back into decent form the the Summer.
My only suggestion is that this test, a dead rubber, was given to Sidds as a reward and a final game.
To be fair, I think the entire team was off the boil in this game. Having won the previous game and retained the Ashes, the overriding will to win just wasn't there.
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Paine's 35. Carey should be playing ahead of him. Better batsman by some margin, equal or better keeper.
Pick the best 11 or 12, then pick the Captain from that group.
Dumb as that a players gets a gig because he's a 'good captain'.
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(09-16-2019, 04:00 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Time Paine has always been a stop gap Captain until someone else comes out of the woodwork. Unfortunately, nobody really has as yet. Being Captain has hurt his game, both batting and fielding. His replacement as a keeper is probably not far away. But who will Captain after him is an issue with no obvious answer as yet.
As for your specific question, bowling first on this pitch was an extremely poor idea and it probably cost us the match. Instead of being able to bat our way to a decent total and control the game, we were reacting all of the time, not setting the agenda.
I think Paine will learn from his mistakes, but I am not sure he will be there long enough for that to be important.
He didn't learn from his mistakes with the DRS!!!
Really, apart from Smith, and to a lesser affect Wade, the batting this tour has been very ordinary. Labuschagne
Had Smith not been so dynamic, we would have lost, no two ways about it. The bowlers dominated the series on pitches that were bowler friendly.
I think you will notice that the batsmen will improve when we play at home. Warner, when the ball doesn't move around quite so much, will be a much stronger option.
The reality of the situation is simple: we have one top batsman in any conditions (Smith). The rest make up the numbers. We will see just which ones come to the party when the season starts in Australia.
This was not a decision that I can explain. Sidds has been a warrior for a long time, but his present pace is questionable when there were guys like Starc available. I would like to have seen Starc play to get him back into decent form the the Summer.
My only suggestion is that this test, a dead rubber, was given to Sidds as a reward and a final game.
To be fair, I think the entire team was off the boil in this game. Having won the previous game and retained the Ashes, the overriding will to win just wasn't there.
I just can't cop that. You think they didn't have the will to win the ashes? It's like their GF!!!
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(09-16-2019, 04:00 AM)crashlander link Wrote:To be fair, I think the entire team was off the boil in this game. Having won the previous game and retained the Ashes, the overriding will to win just wasn't there.
I thought that the Test, as a whole, was as flat as a sh1t carter’s hat.
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(09-16-2019, 02:08 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Paine must go - his decision to bowl cost us the Test match and the Series win.
That's a little simplistic, in reality...dropping a truckload of catches, appalling batting, useless umpiring (we got shafted all series) & our reviewing of those useless umpiring decisions cost us the win.
and, equally, with all those points above against us, I'm not sure batting first would have made a sceric of difference.
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(09-16-2019, 06:17 AM)malo link Wrote:That's a little simplistic, in reality...dropping a truckload of catches, appalling batting, useless umpiring (we got shafted all series) & our reviewing of those useless umpiring decisions cost us the win.
and, equally, with all those points above against us, I'm not sure batting first would have made a sceric of difference.
Simplistic? Absolutely, but's it's cricket strategy 101....and he fluffed it.
Paine thought he was smarter than the cricket gods - he ain't.
Our bowlers would have had an extra day or so rest - our premier batter Smith averages 100 in first innings.....
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Heard this but cannot say anything about the quality of the source, and frankly I don't believe it. The mystifying decision to bat first was because Paine was told this will be his last Test. They discussed before the toss and agreed to bat if they win it. Paine decided to bowl because he was p1ssed off, Langer was apparently furious
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(09-16-2019, 08:03 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Heard this but cannot say anything about the quality of the source, and frankly I don't believe it. The mystifying decision to bat first was because Paine was told this will be his last Test. They discussed before the toss and agreed to bat if they win it. Paine decided to bowl because he was p1ssed off, Langer was apparently furious
Not much else makes sense!
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Yep that what I thought too!
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Unfortunately, on the last bit, it was obvious they weren't switched on. It seems they were happy just to retain the Ashes away from home, obviously seen by the massive celebration after. While I would've killed for 2-2 before the series started I preferred to win when the opportunity was there. Attitude to the game was disappointing. Looks like they just wanted to get the game over with and go home after a long tour unfortunately.
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