Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

[ElwoodBlues1]

I like Liam Stocker and he will be a good player but the two leading candidates for pick 1 are very good players who are match winners. Dont want to be handing the Crows a chief for a good Indian in return.

[cookie2]

I like Liam Stocker and he will be a good player but the two leading candidates for pick 1 are very good players who are match winners. Dont want to be handing the Crows a chief for a good Indian in return.

We need to keep winning then?

[Thryleon]

There is no problem it's flawed thinking. History proves drafting is a coin toss, the minute Stocker played and looked OK we'd already won a 50/50.

Fans talk about low draft picks like they are certainty, when in reality so few picks succeed it's ludicrous not to swap them for a guaranteed player. We swapped a future pick for a player and won, that already puts us well ahead of the curve, no matter what happens in the future!

Retrospectively claiming some later pick was better is not relevant, it's like backing a champion racehorse the day it eventually loses after you've already had a collect on the same horse, or eventually backing a winner after you've lost on the same horse a bunch of times. Nothing that occurs in the future diminishes or enhances your previous wins or loses!

Bulldust.

We have people complaining about Chris Yarran vs Rich vs Ziebell, vs Sidebottom in one draft.

We even had people complaining about the Boekhorst trade, even though we turned pick 7 (Paul ahern) into Boekhorst, the other dud midfielder from GWS, and Jaksch.

People always find a reason to complain.  Stocker is one element of the equation that has paid off.

If we get a top 10 pick from Adelaide, then we get another chance to get a win out of it, and Stocker is simply a bonus.

If we give away picks 1-3, and we see anything like Sam Walsh, Connor Rozee, the King Twins, or anything of that nature in the next draft people will quickly forget about Stocker.

[LP]

Bulldust.

We have people complaining about Chris Yarran vs Rich vs Ziebell, vs Sidebottom in one draft.

We even had people complaining about the Boekhorst trade, even though we turned pick 7 (Paul ahern) into Boekhorst, the other dud midfielder from GWS, and Jaksch.

People always find a reason to complain.  Stocker is one element of the equation that has paid off.

If we get a top 10 pick from Adelaide, then we get another chance to get a win out of it, and Stocker is simply a bonus.

If we give away picks 1-3, and we see anything like Sam Walsh, Connor Rozee, the King Twins, or anything of that nature in the next draft people will quickly forget about Stocker.

What people think is irrelevant, they are all experts in retrospect!

Hindsight Heroes!

[DJC]

Agree. We made our call on Stocker. Looks like a good one. Great - move on, don't look back - you can't change anything now. If we had kept the pick we may have bombed out when we used it anyway.

Yes, we won the pick swap when Stocker showed that he can play at AFL level ... and with a bit of attitude as well.  Whatever happens with the two first round picks next draft will be more down to good luck and our pick 12 may provide a better player than the Crows’ pick 10 

[flyboy77]

And just on the 2019 Hawks. Their best is easily top 4 quality IMO. They just have too many lapses.

Our best is easily top 4 quality....so what?

[flyboy77]

It's hard to argue. Putting Ed onto Fyfe didn't work so he swung SOS onto him and Jack played a cracker.

Setterfield into the back pocket was effective.

Walsh in the forward flank / pocket was also successful (though he missed 2 gettable goals).

Kennedy in the Josh Caddy role was a masterstroke - 2 vital goals.

None of these type of moves was a hallmark of the Bolton era.

But far from rocket science. Kennedy debuted and kicked three playing such a role...

[DJC]

The club website has footage of Murphy’s match-winning goal with commentary from different broadcasters.  Their reactions are interesting but the footage is very informative.

Kreuzer brings the ball down from a boundary throw in just outside our 50.  Murphy gets a foot to the ball and sends it to Gibbons.  Gibbons kicks the ball off the ground to Casboult who shrugs off tacklers and gets a handball to Fisher.  Fisher doesn’t take possession but hits the ball to Murphy who sells the dummy and nails the shot at goal.  Casboult, Gibbons and Fisher all played their part but Murphy, who covered 40m and read the play to perfection, was outstanding.

That play epitomises what makes Murphy one of the best players to pull on the navy blue in the 21st century.

[flyboy77]

Where's flyboy ? He was at the game and I was looking forward to reading his report.

Yes well, I left with 7 minutes to go  :-[ :-[ :-[

We decided it was best to beat the rabid Freo hordes given train is the only way in and the only way out.

Summation - slippery day given the earlier rain and bits of rain during the game (very little really),

Freo smashed us in Q1 then they fell asleep essentially.

The skill level - from both sides was simply disgraceful - missing targets from 20m away (under no pressure) consistently.

Hosptal hand passes, etc etc.

Fyfe was dynamite in Q1 and to a lesser extent Q2. Walters MIA (not sure if anyone from CFC can take  credit for his performance)

Great job by SOJ.

Kreuzer was fantastic. Ditto Levi, Marchy and Jones.

Dow's kicking still extremely embarrassing. Laughable.

Kennedy and Setterfield did their bit.

SPS - good in patches. Still chooses....

Murph - didn't much notice him - but there was plenty of rugby scrum stuff all day....

Ed? Kept us in it.

McGovern - that miss early in the last shocking (where he played on on his left after marking 20m out).

All in all - they lost it more than we won it. Still, as they say. you can only beat the opposition on the day.

Final word - big confidence booster noting no Crippa, Big H, Charlie....

[PaulP]

Thanks flyboy. That's the impression I got from watching highlights and seeing bit of the match live. Good effort, but more good luck that we were ahead when the final siren went, the opposite of the bad luck we had earlier in the year.