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(06-18-2019, 02:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dow's main improvement will be getting more of the ball, he was never a reliable kick at TAC level so I dont think that is likely to improve much at senior AFL level.
He got big numbers at TAC level....30 possies was an average game for him and was getting 40 possies a game at times, it was his work rate and non stop running that was the key to his game much like we see from Walsh and why the latter is so good and carried that TAC form across.
I'd leave Dow on a wing and let him run up and down and keep him out of the middle where you need real grunt and muscle. The kid is a running machine and being used
wrongly IMO.
Agreed, Dow's go is to be the man in the middle sweeper, he needs to get in between Cripps/Setterfield and whoever we have working outside the stoppage. Dow to receive then burst and dish off to whoever we have passing to break open the stoppage. We need him using those first 3 to 5 steps to buy the outside runners time and space to use the ball better. At the moment we have SPS and Fisher being the sweeper roles, and handing off to Dow and others, I think that is back to front because Dow was never a great ball user!
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(06-18-2019, 02:40 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dow's main improvement will be getting more of the ball, he was never a reliable kick at TAC level so I dont think that is likely to improve much at senior AFL level.
He got big numbers at TAC level....30 possies was an average game for him and was getting 40 possies a game at times, it was his work rate and non stop running that was the key to his game much like we see from Walsh and why the latter is so good and carried that TAC form across.
I'd leave Dow on a wing and let him run up and down and keep him out of the middle where you need real grunt and muscle. The kid is a running machine and being used
wrongly IMO.
EB, Dow is too slow to be left on a wing - would get cut up on counter attack. the thing is if as you say his kicking is unlikely to improve at senior level 1) Why did we draft him at pick 3? and 2) Do we want a bloke getting it 30 times if 15 of those 30 are clangers or turnovers.
I would rather we kept Robbo and Bell if disposal could be excused.
IMO he should be in the 2s racking up possessions without the pressure of the seniors and only step back up once he has improved that part of his game.
He's as bad a kick for goal as I've seen!
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(06-18-2019, 05:35 AM)shawny link Wrote:EB, Dow is too slow to be left on a wing
Really! ???
I think you can safely criticise Dow for several things, but being slow isn't one of them!
Do we have anyone faster? :o
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Quote:He's as bad a kick for goal as I've seen!
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(06-18-2019, 05:35 AM)shawny link Wrote:EB, Dow is too slow to be left on a wing - would get cut up on counter attack. the thing is if as you say his kicking is unlikely to improve at senior level 1) Why did we draft him at pick 3? and 2) Do we want a bloke getting it 30 times if 15 of those 30 are clangers or turnovers.
I would rather we kept Robbo and Bell if disposal could be excused.
IMO he should be in the 2s racking up possessions without the pressure of the seniors and only step back up once he has improved that part of his game.
He's as bad a kick for goal as I've seen!
Dow is a very good burst player Shawny and an ideal winger material IMO, he has a strong pair of legs that allow him to get up to speed real quick and it was his hallmark
at TAC cup level where he would grab the loose ball as it spilled from packs and motor away often kicking goals on the run, he missed a lot too but it wasnt lack of speed that caused him problems.
He isnt as developed in the upper body and playing him in the middle vs the likes of Ellis-Yoleman, Cunnington etc isnt his go and we need to get a bigger bodied player in the middle to help Cripps
rather than sacrificing Dow, Fisher, SPS who just dont have the size and never will to compete.
Its not Dow's fault that we dont have the right balance on the list to provide him with the support he needs so for now he needs a position where we can use his talents better...
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It's an indictment on how poor Kennedy and Lang have been, albeit missing games with injuries too. They were recruited for that bigger bodied midfield role and have done absolutely SFA and will be lucky to survive the cull at year-end IMO.
Throw the proverbial kitchen sink at Coniglio and if that means this year's first round pick and next year's as well then I'd do it....you know exactly what you're getting....a strong inside/oustide midfielder who's shown he can also kick goals...and still relatively young.
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(06-18-2019, 08:34 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:It's an indictment on how poor Kennedy and Lang have been, albeit missing games with injuries too. They were recruited for that bigger bodied midfield role and have done absolutely SFA and will be lucky to survive the cull at year-end IMO.
Throw the proverbial kitchen sink at Coniglio and if that means this year's first round pick and next year's as well then I'd do it....you know exactly what you're getting....a strong inside/oustide midfielder who's shown he can also kick goals...and still relatively young.
Coniglio is a restricted free agent so we just have to make him an offer he can't refuse ... and convince him that we're on track for a top four finish in the near future.
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My bad DJC....I wasn't sure if it was end of this year or next year. So yes, make an offer he'll find hard to refuse and, as you say, show him why there's more upside in the future than say a Hawthorn where's he rumoured to be opting for.
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Dow reminds me of Judd, who BTW also had abysmal disposal.
If Dow can keep developing and find the ball as much as Judd did, he will be ok. i am not concerned about him.
I had big concerns around LOB. He went pretty well in the last game, he had some good possessions and used the ball reasonably well. I doubt he will be a world beater, but he will be a good AFL footballer. He is the type of guy that at any other club he would be playing in the 2s and likely wouldnt have been considered for a senior game at this point, but he is at Carlton and we aren't blessed with depth and he has shown improvement and definitely heart.
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(06-19-2019, 01:14 AM)deags link Wrote:Dow reminds me of Judd, who BTW also had abysmal disposal.
If Dow can keep developing and find the ball as much as Judd did, he will be ok. i am not concerned about him.
I had big concerns around LOB. He went pretty well in the last game, he had some good possessions and used the ball reasonably well. I doubt he will be a world beater, but he will be a good AFL footballer. He is the type of guy that at any other club he would be playing in the 2s and likely wouldnt have been considered for a senior game at this point, but he is at Carlton and we aren't blessed with depth and he has shown improvement and definitely heart.
Judd's disposal was A ok until injury hit....and it was always better than Paddy's - which has become laughably bad sadly.
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