VFL 2019 Rd 11: Northern Blues vs. Footscray at Ikon

[Thryleon]

Agree. Add Fasolo and Polson to that list. Both are gone.

Kennedy is the one i am most concerned with. Cant get a decent run at it and you would think he is the type of player we need. He is the type of player we should be playing in the guts to the years end. Give this guy the second half of the year and don’t drop him. Need to be a call on him as well at seasons end.

Can’t keep a list spot for players that are very very unlikely to make it. Don’t have that luxury.

Been superceded by setterfield.

Time to move on.  He was a gamble that didnt pay off.

[Professer E]

Given we paid a first rounder for him, cutting him would be viewed as a catastrophic fail.

[jeza]

Given we paid a first rounder for him, cutting him would be viewed as a catastrophic fail.

Kennedy was traded for pick #28 straight swap.

I wouldn't mind trying him in a Josh Caddy type role. He takes a good mark for his size.

The thing holding him back is he's not big enough physically. To play his role he needs to hit the gym bigtime.

[Blue Moon]

This thread has really turned dark. It appears to me that the haters on this site are frustrated by the improved performances of carlton and have turned their ire towards the northern blues. Calling players oxygen thieves and cancers is disgraceful and people should have a good hard look at themselves, particularly when these comments are directed at first year player.
I have Lang down as a fail but I notice he is in our best players. I also don't understand why there is no positive comments about Owies 5 goals and the performance of Jack.
I read the threads on the northern blues to get some idea on how the players are developing as I cant get to these games not to read the rantings of the disaffected.

[Professer E]

I understand your concerns but I believe you have misread the situation.

I used the term cancer to encapsulate the effect that a poor attitude has on team culture.  It starts with one player who can't be bothered,  then others start going at less than full bore,  and so on.  And thus this toxic  attitude spreads like a cancer and destroys any chance of team success.

I wouldn't wish cancer on anybody.

I've seen it happen at club level,  and we've seen it happen at Carlton.  Ever wonder why Henderson was told to clean out his locker three weeks before the end of the season?

I have an association with Preston and it's direct feeder clubs and it pains me at a deep level when I see blokes representing my club going at half rat power and not giving a toss. If that offends some people, fine,  but when you've worn the colours it really means something to me.  EB also comes from the NE area and believe me,  he doesn't like blokes abusing the privilege of representing the area either.

BTW,  I know the Owies family are more than pleased with what Carlton has done with Matt and as shown by the weekend,  he is very coach able and learns fast. 

[ElwoodBlues1]

This thread has really turned dark. It appears to me that the haters on this site are frustrated by the improved performances of carlton and have turned their ire towards the northern blues. Calling players oxygen thieves and cancers is disgraceful and people should have a good hard look at themselves, particularly when these comments are directed at first year player.
I have Lang down as a fail but I notice he is in our best players. I also don't understand why there is no positive comments about Owies 5 goals and the performance of Jack.
I read the threads on the northern blues to get some idea on how the players are developing as I cant get to these games not to read the rantings of the disaffected.

I get what the Prof is saying that he doesnt want lack of effort and bad habits spreading through the team especially to younger players, we are long time Blues/Bullants supporters and lack of effort is something that we both find very frustrating. On the other thread I did say oxygen thieves was probably a but harsh but watching players not making any effort regardless of age or size isnt acceptable when you pull on a Carlton jumper, chasing/tackling is something any player can do regardless if you are Tom Wilson or Ben Silvagni. Ben jogged after Rueben William from the Dogs like he couldnt be bothered and that got me annoyed as he is a senior listed Carlton player who should be thinking how lucky am I to be playing the game and having the opportunities I have but like his TAC form he realy just switches on and off when he likes. I did comment that his brother Jack is the opposite, gives great effort and works hard to earn his right each week to pull on the jumper and I also said that young Owies gets better each week  and plays with intensity like he really wants to be an AFL footballer and doesnt just expect it just to happen which unfortunately Ben does.
If Ben had played for the old Preston with a coach like Harold Martin he would have been dragged and told exactly what was required , his attitude needs to change if he wants to make a career in the AFL.

[Blue Moon]

An 18 year old has a bad game and you start personally abusing him. My understanding is that for a late 70's pick, he has been going okay in his first year of senior football.

[ElwoodBlues1]

An 18 year old has a bad game and you start personally abusing him. My understanding is that for a late 70's pick, he has been going okay in his first year of senior football.

I criticized his lack of effort along with Darcy Lang and probably chose the wrong phrase ie oxygen thief...my mistake but that doesnt excuse lack of effort.
Why does being a pick 70 excuse you from chasing a player running into goal? Lack of four quarter application was his problem at TAC and he was very lucky to get drafted in the end, did you ever actually watch him play?

[Mantis]

Lack of effort has been a thing I have always measured a players potential. Sure skills are a fantastic thing, but without effort and real work ethic, you are very limited to your true game contribution. We have seen these types come and go at the club.

[LP]

It's a no-win situation for the club, long term it will take a minor management miracle to keep both SOS and his boys at the club! I've no confidence!

It's the elephant in the room and the potential issues were obvious from the start;

- If SOS get s the sack but we want to keep the kids.
- If the kids are no good but we want to keep SOS.
- If one kid is a keeper and the other not.
- Whenever some other past-players kid gets snubbed!

It's a minefield or player and fan disengagement!