Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 11: Carlton vs. the Drug Cheats

[crashlander]

I am a moderator and I have one statement: if you can't play together nicely, then don't post! No more warnings, either. If you can't play by the rules, then there will be suspensions or bans.

Yes, today was a disaster of biblical proportions, but ...

[31Tommys_barber]

We are in the habit of losing, administration, coaches, players and now one by one the supporters just accept it. As supporters we have continued to swallow the crap the club sends us hook line and sinker preying on our loyalty. That  dawn is just over the hill they tell us, light ahead we hear, we all have belief in the coach and the football department plan.  What rubbish just a con.  I don’t think the coach even believes it anymore.  What’s the solution?  We need change to change. Something, a spark, to ignite us all from the top on down to you and me,  sack Bolton, Barker or 1 of the other dozen assistants we have, just  do something other than accept our current course.    Something

[Lods]

I reckon you and the other mods will be working shifts once Bolton's sacking is announced and this site goes berko.

Good luck.

Thanks Paul

A coach change always raises some pretty strong emotions.

This one, if it occurs or not, looms as a bit more of an issue and more emotional because people are much more invested.
The process still has wide support, and many regard the coach and process as inseparable.
Whatever happens debate will no doubt be vigorous in the coming days. All we ask is that it's conducted with civility.
I don't think anyone posts on here who in the end doesn't want to see a successful Carlton
We sometimes just disagree as to the best method to achieve that outcome.

(and while I was writing that we had a little bit of an outburst to indicate the extent of the feelings,
It's natural to be upset...but it's a bit of a waste of your energy if you want to start throwing abuse around. The posts wont last.)

[PaulP]

We are in the habit of losing, administration, coaches, players and now one by one the supporters just accept it. As supporters we have continued to swallow the crap the club sends us hook line and sinker preying on our loyalty. That  dawn is just over the hill they tell us, light ahead we hear, we all have belief in the coach and the football department plan.  What rubbish just a con.  I don’t think the coach even believes it anymore.  What’s the solution?  We need change to change. Something, a spark, to ignite us all from the top on down to you and me,  sack Bolton, Barker or 1 of the other dozen assistants we have, just  do something other than accept our current course.    Something

That "something" needs to be very well considered and backed up by real analysis. No more knee jerk BS. Although I guess it's too late for that, if rumours are to be believed.

[kruddler]

I haven't seen groundswell like this since Ratten lost to Gold Coast in 2012.

[madbluboy]

I haven't seen groundswell like this since Ratten lost to Gold Coast in 2012.

Yep. Today was shocking. Normally Bomber fans would be rubbing it in but they know they are crap too.

[townsendcalling]

Bolton arrived at Hawthorn in a premiership year (2008) and enjoyed their success up until the time he joined us. His first senior coaching wins were with a team that I could have coached to victory. He has never been associated with a senior AFL team that has had to face significant adversity or public scrutiny. He actually ‘lived the dream’ at Hawthorn.

If he’d been Hardwick’s right hand man or Buckley’s right hand man and witnessed the overcoming of significant external pressures and ordinary on field performances, then we might say that he’s got the experience to weather the storm with us. 

Unfortunately he hasn’t been.......and I don’t think he can. 

[shawny]

Geeez Marchbank was far from our worst.Newman played like spud. Bloody hell,we started with 2 players down in Lang and Fasolo. Played the worst wet weather football I've ever seen. Weitering was great today. Kreuzer cracked in. The more I see of Stocker the more I think he'll be real good.
The more I see of Kennedy the less I like. Another abject failure.
Cunningham looks OK. The baqckline isn't the problem, it's the way we butcher the ball into attack and in general play. 2 top rate forwards, solid backline, reasonable midfield. We should be better.
Coach is cooked.

Perfect summary. Midfield is just way too young to be able to compete at this level. Simply too many kids without any cover. Won’t win another game unless the balance changes which can’t see how that can happen with the list we have.

[Vivian]

Dow looked much better today, especially in the second half. His kicking is still average but he showed a lot of pace to get clear of traffic and get the ball moving. Casboult is doing OK down back and weitering was probably our best.

Quite a few times we kicked forward to no one. Its a sign of a side still struggling to gel and preempt each other, allowing disposals to happen quicker.  Too often we get caught: another symptom of a lack of preemption and confidence in a team mate.

No answers other than time. Our young players are getting quite an education

[townsendcalling]

Won’t win another game unless the balance changes which can’t see how that can happen with the list we have.

Maybe ‘can’t see how that can happen with the list we have’ ., should read ‘ can’t see how this can happen with the current ages of the list we have’

We have a number of talented kids who need time including some of our talls who are still trying to get there (We’re always told that talls take long.....but we are impatient.)  Weitering is getting bigger, stronger and more confident every year and by the time he’s 25 / 26 he’ll control the backline and do so for another 5-6 year. (How’s his progress compared with the No 2 pick of his year Josh Schache??). Likewise Harry McKay’s brother, still a mile off but North have no doubt he’ll make it. In the meantime his twin brother is expected to hold our forward line together.

They are only 2 examples, there are plenty more on our list.  How do we conjure some success for the next 2 years while we play catch up??