Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

[flyboy77]

Yes, I was quite aware of where GWS finished in 2015. But I've given my opinion on the differences between them and us in various posts scattered around this forum, and there's no need to repeat them here.

My feelings in the off season is that we would finish bottom 2 in 2019. Because the amount of upheaval and the number of kids, lack of senior players etc. would all take a toll. In my view this is a development / consolidating year, and in 2020 is where things get better. Clearly nobody sees any fun in that, so it's all systems go with the sack Bolton routine.

Paul, exactly what has Bolton done at any stage in his senior coaching career that you consider meritorious? My thoughts?

1. Fast tracked the development of numerous kids? I think Dow, Charlie Curnow, SPS, LOB - backwards.
2. Got the best out of some recycled types? Fas and Lang dwelling in the 2s
3. Got the best out of his senior players or reinvented them? Ed C as a small forward - SURELY YOU'RE TAKING THE PISS?
4. Made some match winning game day moves? Must have been asleep - missed it!

I'd go as far as FOUR big nos.

I'd go further and say a bunch of banana charged monkeys making random (clueless) decisions would have led to more wins....

The ONLY reason you wouldn't sack him - and most of his assistants - is that:

1. There is no obvious replacement; and
2. Too much egg on the faces of MLG, Judd etc.

[JonHenry]

Paul, exactly what has Bolton done at any stage in his senior coaching career that you consider meritorious? My thoughts?

1. Fast tracked the development of numerous kids? I think Dow, Charlie Curnow, SPS, LOB - backwards.
2. Got the best out of some recycled types? Fas and Lang dwelling in the 2s
3. Got the best out of his senior players or reinvented them? Ed C as a small forward - SURELY YOU'RE TAKING THE PISS?
4. Made some match winning game day moves? Must have been asleep - missed it!

I'd go as far as FOUR big nos.

I'd go further and say a bunch of banana charged monkeys making random (clueless) decisions would have led to more wins....

The ONLY reason you wouldn't sack him - and most of his assistants - is that:

1. There is no obvious replacement; and
2. Too much egg on the faces of MLG, Judd etc.

I think you miss the point though Fly.
Bolton is a teacher with a teachers back ground.
It's all about the love fest

[flyboy77]

Well that puts you at odds with the club. They anticipated considerably better than that.

And the assumption from the President that if you 'stick together' then you will ultimately win and enjoy success is the stuff of fairy-tales - there's as much evidence to invalidate such a claim as there is to support such a claim. You only need look at the Federal Election to know how fallacious such a wish is. Ah, if it were only that simple. And it is simplistic thinking.

And that's why they were prepared to trade their 1st round pick...

If we had finished 11-14th and the Crows slightly higher who would care?

[cookie2]

I think you miss the point though Fly.
Bolton is a teacher with a teachers back ground.
It's all about the love fest

Reminds me of the story of the organisational consultant who wrote a book called "The Caring Sharing Organisation" which was a huge hit and made him millions. He decided to buy a company and actually implement his ideas - it went broke in 6 months. His new book is titled "Kicking Ass and Taking Names"!

[Thryleon]

Paul, exactly what has Bolton done at any stage in his senior coaching career that you consider meritorious? My thoughts?

1. Fast tracked the development of numerous kids? I think Dow, Charlie Curnow, SPS, LOB - backwards.
2. Got the best out of some recycled types? Fas and Lang dwelling in the 2s
3. Got the best out of his senior players or reinvented them? Ed C as a small forward - SURELY YOU'RE TAKING THE PISS?
4. Made some match winning game day moves? Must have been asleep - missed it!

I'd go as far as FOUR big nos.

I'd go further and say a bunch of banana charged monkeys making random (clueless) decisions would have led to more wins....

The ONLY reason you wouldn't sack him - and most of his assistants - is that:

1. There is no obvious replacement; and
2. Too much egg on the faces of MLG, Judd etc.

For every positive you're going to find a negative and vice versa depending on which stance you would like to take.

1.  Fast tracked Zac Fisher and the others are in second year ruts ala weitering who is playing his best footy now.  Actually this is the first time that 5 draftees from one draft crop are all looking like making the grade. 

2.  Matthew Wright played his best footy with us.  All the GWS players we have gotten are better with us than they were there.

3.  All of them have played better footy under Bolton than under malthouse. Including some that have left us and are playing elsewhere.

4. On game day, its difficult to point to any changes made that swings  the tide one way or the other and the general consensus in afl circles is that swinging things on game day is limited to pre prepared plans.  Bolton's coaching had us in winning positions for most of this season bar two matches.  That wasnt true of malthouse or rattens final years with us.  We dished up the north Melbourne equivalent in most matches.

[flyboy77]

Ratten was 11 and 11 (after a horror injury run too) when he parted ways as Coach.

Bolts?

Is that how far our standards have slipped?  ??? :-[

[Thryleon]

Ratten was 11 and 11 (after a horror injury run too) when he parted ways as Coach.

Bolts?

Is that how far our standards have slipped?  ??? :-[

Context.

We were heading to a spoon when Bolton took over the club.

Ratten had set his sights on top 4 and a premiership tilt.

At the time ratten got sacked we were a divided club who wasn't sure he should be sacked and history shows it was unlikely to have been the correct decision.

Applying any argument surrounding using rattens grounds for sacking works against anyone using it to argue why we should sack Bolton.  In fact its proof the playing group will not unite against a new coach.

[Thryleon]

I'll say it because no one else is.

The absence of lachie plowman is under rated.

[laj]

Context.

We were heading to a spoon when Bolton took over the club.

Ratten had set his sights on top 4 and a premiership tilt.

At the time ratten got sacked we were a divided club who wasn't sure he should be sacked and history shows it was unlikely to have been the correct decision.

Applying any argument surrounding using rattens grounds for sacking works against anyone using it to argue why we should sack Bolton.  In fact its proof the playing group will not unite against a new coach.

Give up. You backed the wrong horse.

4 years later, with a good young side we are still heading for the spoon with a worse record than our previous dud coaches.

[Thryleon]

Give up. You backed the wrong horse.

4 years later, with a good young side we are still heading for the spoon with a worse record than our previous dud coaches.

You give up.

I've backed every horse in the hot seat and I'll give you a clue.

The reason they all lose is because our club isnt operating as it should be.

I'm not surprised by our season this year.  I actually thought we'd be less competitive even though I thought we might have won a game or two more than we have and said as much in pre season.

How about you??