Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

[PaulP]

The GWS comparisons, which are used often, are a bit of  a red herring.

We don't have the draft concessions they had.
We don't have the extended list they had.
They were able to sign uncontracted AFL players for a couple of years.
They had extra salary cap room.
We ended up with their 'surplus' players.

Our development as a team will be completely different.

We are the low rent GWS, but the principle still applies IMO.

[Lods]

It's all warm and fuzzy regarding the sticking together part  but it gives the impression that they're at a loss to explain it other than 'we're young and we lack leadership.

Combining comments by club individuals from this and another article in another thread.....'

"Extremely disappointing, unacceptable performance- unacceptable result, not making excuses, very poor, hard questions need to be asked, lack of aggression, this hurts because we thought we were past it, poor skills, a performance like yesterday.... I think it spreads throughout the whole playing group and club,"

That hardly instils confidence that they're in control of the situation.

[PaulP]

It's all warm and fuzzy regarding the sticking together part  but it gives the impression that they're at a loss to explain it other than 'we're young and we lack leadership.

Combining comments by club individuals from this and another article in another thread.....'

"Extremely disappointing, unacceptable performance- unacceptable result, not making excuses, very poor, hard questions need to be asked, lack of aggression, this hurts because we thought we were past it, poor skills, a performance like yesterday.... I think it spreads throughout the whole playing group and club,"

That hardly instils confidence that they're in control of the situation.

The club knows exactly why it's happening, and so do most (or some) on here.

[Lods]

The club knows exactly why it's happening, and so do most (or some) on here.

We're young and we lack leadership?
Whose fault is that?

We all understand what they're trying to do...but it's not exactly following the script.
The 'thought we were past it' comment by Docherty reflects that.

I doubt any club will ever try and duplicate the Carlton model in the future.

We've had two really bad performances in recent weeks and that's put some pressure on the club.
So a lot now depends on the next four weeks and getting things on track,.
Close results wont be enough in these games.

To me this is the important takeout from that article....

“You might think, here we go again with the repetitive ‘young list’ … I’m not making excuses, there’s no excuse for the performance and effort of yesterday, none,” LoGiudice said.
“I can give you all the boxes we’re ticking off-field, but our fans want wins. The whole club wants wins.”

[hitman]

Did anyone else notice that only a few minutes after Cripps got reported for his love tap on Taranto, that he had the opportunity to tackle him and he went for it. Ran straight through him, dumped him and landed on top of him with full body weight. Taranto was left laying on the turf for a while after that and may have even been taken off the ground.

A good old fashioned, LEGAL, square up.

I love Cripps.

Yep - and did you see when he tackled Mumford and put him in a little head lock. Wasn't much but a sign he didn't forget what he did to Murphy. Only thing in the game I liked - and the only sign of any response to that dog act

[flyboy77]

From that article :

He said the club’s faith in Bolton stemmed from the belief success came by “sticking together”.

“There’s plenty of evidence which shows that clubs which stick together ultimately win and enjoy success,” he said.

“They’re the facts. Clubs that stick together, and I’m talking board, coaches, players, members, supporters, sponsors, I mean the nucleus of a football club, those who stick together and support ultimately enjoy great success.”

“Let’s not individualise, as a footy club it is extremely challenging … extremely,” he said. “But that’s no problem, you have to live and die by that.

“It’s a patience game and it’s easy to say and hard to do. Remember, GWS went through all this by the way.”

FINALLY !! Woo Hoo !! I can't believe I actually read that, from a CFC President.

Let's hope it's true.

Now, please sort of the umpire and MRO nonsense.

Paul, this is where your arguments falls (entirely) flat on its face - see attachment.

As we surge towards another Spoon!

[PaulP]

Paul, this is where your arguments falls (entirely) flat on its face - see attachment.

As we surge towards another Spoon!

Yes, I was quite aware of where GWS finished in 2015. But I've given my opinion on the differences between them and us in various posts scattered around this forum, and there's no need to repeat them here.

My feelings in the off season is that we would finish bottom 2 in 2019. Because the amount of upheaval and the number of kids, lack of senior players etc. would all take a toll. In my view this is a development / consolidating year, and in 2020 is where things get better. Clearly nobody sees any fun in that, so it's all systems go with the sack Bolton routine.

[JonHenry]

From that article :

He said the club’s faith in Bolton stemmed from the belief success came by “sticking together”.

“There’s plenty of evidence which shows that clubs which stick together ultimately win and enjoy success,” he said.

“They’re the facts. Clubs that stick together, and I’m talking board, coaches, players, members, supporters, sponsors, I mean the nucleus of a football club, those who stick together and support ultimately enjoy great success.”

“Let’s not individualise, as a footy club it is extremely challenging … extremely,” he said. “But that’s no problem, you have to live and die by that.

“It’s a patience game and it’s easy to say and hard to do. Remember, GWS went through all this by the way.”

FINALLY !! Woo Hoo !! I can't believe I actually read that, from a CFC President.

Let's hope it's true.

Now, please sort of the umpire and MRO nonsense.

There's a lot more evidence that says Bolton has no clue.
He is in his fourth year and about to win another spoon.
Silvagni should also be under the pump.
Under size midfielders don't cut it.
The club is in a bad way and we have a farking property developer running the joint, and a useless pokie owner that sits on the Gold Coast calling the shots from afar.

Could it get any worse

[Baggers]

Yes, I was quite aware of where GWS finished in 2015. But I've given my opinion on the differences between them and us in various posts scattered around this forum, and there's no need to repeat them here.

My feelings in the off season is that we would finish bottom 2 in 2019. Because the amount of upheaval and the number of kids, lack of senior players etc. would all take a toll. In my view this is a development / consolidating year, and in 2020 is where things get better. Clearly nobody sees any fun in that, so it's all systems go with the sack Bolton routine.

Well that puts you at odds with the club. They anticipated considerably better than that.

And the assumption from the President that if you 'stick together' then you will ultimately win and enjoy success is the stuff of fairy-tales - there's as much evidence to invalidate such a claim as there is to support such a claim. You only need look at the Federal Election to know how fallacious such a wish is. Ah, if it were only that simple. And it is simplistic thinking.

[cookie2]

Sticking together with the right plan and personnel is great - without those it makes not one jot of difference to the eventual and inevitable outcome. I'm speaking generally here.