Pre-Game Potential: AFL 2019 Rd 8: Carlton vs. Collingwood

[flyboy77]

The amount of fantasising that goes on here. Gibbs was dropped for 1 game and was back in the next week. Roughead has also been dropped, for at least 1 game, and possibly indefinitely. Both have played over 250 games. But apparently Gibbs has finally been worked out, which means that the Crows were asleep at the wheel for more than a decade of Gibbs' career, and also failed to do their homework for 2 successive trade periods. Well clearly, if they want the real truth instead of fake news, they should come here. The place where people know footballers better than any coach, analyst, recruiter, scout etc. from a professional club.

And Murphy ? Ah Murph. 15 seasons, 5 coaches, dozens of team mates, assistant coaches, board members, journalists, and no one has been able to rein him in. He told Malthouse to f2ck off, he told Judd to f2ck off, any hard nut that gets in his way, he just mows them down, puts 'em in their place, and shows them who's boss. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to tell Murphy that he has to get off his fat ar$e, pull his finger out and CONTRIBUTE. Nobody has been able to pull him aside and tell him to stop being such a softc0ck, no coach has dropped him, and nobody has been able to see this complete sham of a footballer, except the experts on here.

Thank God for footy forum experts.

You need a holiday Paul. Don't know what your drama is, but it's a big one....

[LP]

The amount of fantasising that goes on here. Gibbs was dropped for 1 game and was back in the next week. Roughead has also been dropped, for at least 1 game, and possibly indefinitely. Both have played over 250 games. But apparently Gibbs has finally been worked out, which means that the Crows were asleep at the wheel for more than a decade of Gibbs' career, and also failed to do their homework for 2 successive trade periods. Well clearly, if they want the real truth instead of fake news, they should come here. The place where people know footballers better than any coach, analyst, recruiter, scout etc. from a professional club.

And Murphy ? Ah Murph. 15 seasons, 5 coaches, dozens of team mates, assistant coaches, board members, journalists, and no one has been able to rein him in. He told Malthouse to f2ck off, he told Judd to f2ck off, any hard nut that gets in his way, he just mows them down, puts 'em in their place, and shows them who's boss. Because nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to tell Murphy that he has to get off his fat ar$e, pull his finger out and CONTRIBUTE. Nobody has been able to pull him aside and tell him to stop being such a softc0ck, no coach has dropped him, and nobody has been able to see this complete sham of a footballer, except the experts on here.

Thank God for footy forum experts.

x2, reality is harsh for some, and it seems the sMurph haters have a miserable life!

Even from last weeks below average game for him, he was far far from being our worst.

FFS, Harry the Wunderkind, ball bombed long and high into the F50, to the advantage of a 206cm x 100kg ultramobile jumping leaping forward, you'd think defenders would be terrified, got 1 kick from 30 or so sparse entries, so few he hardly had to make an effort all day! Must have been tired! That's Casboult level output at it's best! Crickets from the regular offenders. But sMurph apparently gave away the crown jewels to the opposition and dragged the other 21 players down with him! What a superhuman effort, better and more lethal than Eddie Everywhere sending MM our way! ;D

[PaulP]

You need a holiday Paul. Don't know what your drama is, but it's a big one....

Yeah, I'm all emotional and irrational. Must be that time of month. If only I could put up cogent, logical, convincing arguments like others on here.

And why must the kids only take the lead from Murphy ? They can't learn from Cripps, they can't learn from Kreuzer, they can't learn from Simpson ? No, those blokes are all out of the picture, and are incapable of showing the kids anything, because they all fall hopelessly under the spell of our No 3 ? Because Murphy is so terrifying that the other seniors don't want to interfere with his good work ?

Give it up.

[Thryleon]

A thug?
If he tackles he’s a thug?

Serious?

He's never going to be the type that could tackle with intent.  That left the moment his shoulder got smashed in his first season with us (because failed to protect him when he was a kid).

We are as culpable in that regard as he is.

Now we have bigger bodies let's make a statement and drop a bloke that leads our team most weeks for metres gained because he has one tackle on the score sheet instead of 3, even though his pressure acts are up there.

It's broken logic.

We dont have enough players staking a claim to do it.  We could drop 5 blokes who we are carrying most weeks before getting to Murphy in his poorest season and the only bloke who's a likely replacement is Kennedy and he isnt in sterling form.

I'd drop dow before Murphy at this stage.

[ElwoodBlues1]

He's never going to be the type that could tackle with intent.  That left the moment his shoulder got smashed in his first season with us (because failed to protect him when he was a kid).

We are as culpable in that regard as he is.

Now we have bigger bodies let's make a statement and drop a bloke that leads our team most weeks for metres gained because he has one tackle on the score sheet instead of 3, even though his pressure acts are up there.

It's broken logic.

We dont have enough players staking a claim to do it.  We could drop 5 blokes who we are carrying most weeks before getting to Murphy in his poorest season and the only bloke who's a likely replacement is Kennedy and he isnt in sterling form.

I'd drop dow before Murphy at this stage.

Dow needs to learn in the seniors not play with a bunch of bananas in the NB's who cant handle suburban footballers, he isnt in great form and I understand the thinking but our
twos are not the place to learn IMO. If Mick Barlow or someone capable was playing Full time and could take Dow under his wing and teach him then I would agree the NB's is fine but
with what I have seen Dow wouldnt learn anything.
Rather see him play on Pendlebury etc and learn from the best than get 20 kicks on Joe average in the twos and become the next Nick Graham....

[Thryleon]

Dow needs to learn in the seniors not play with a bunch of bananas in the NB's who cant handle suburban footballers, he isnt in great form and I understand the thinking but our
twos are not the place to learn IMO. If Mick Barlow or someone capable was playing Full time and could take Dow under his wing and teach him then I would agree the NB's is fine but
with what I have seen Dow wouldnt learn anything.
Rather see him play on Pendlebury etc and learn from the best than get 20 kicks on Joe average in the twos and become the next Nick Graham....

I know what you mean but dow has been in terrible form this season.

He could use a few weeks in the vfl to build confidence and form.

Last week against north, the kids learned nothing aside from what not to do.

That might have been useful but, not in all cases.  Not all senior footy is good senior footy.  Form, confidence and practice with ball in hand at vfl level is not to be underestimated.  Not to mention doing it tougher in the vfl can build resilience.

I'd wager that the physicality is higher in the vfl.

[JonHenry]

He's never going to be the type that could tackle with intent.  That left the moment his shoulder got smashed in his first season with us (because failed to protect him when he was a kid).

We are as culpable in that regard as he is.

Now we have bigger bodies let's make a statement and drop a bloke that leads our team most weeks for metres gained because he has one tackle on the score sheet instead of 3, even though his pressure acts are up there.

It's broken logic.

We dont have enough players staking a claim to do it.  We could drop 5 blokes who we are carrying most weeks before getting to Murphy in his poorest season and the only bloke who's a likely replacement is Kennedy and he isnt in sterling form.

I'd drop dow before Murphy at this stage.

You would.
But then the young guys keep learning off Murphy.

Some of the excuses you blokes make up are amazing.

So now the CFC wrecked him from game 1.

Poor Mark needs to retire.

[Lods]

CFC may not have wrecked him from day one but they definitely did him no favours.
Disgrace may be a bit harsh but some folks probably needed to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm not going to defend Murphy's current output and effort but the support, protection and example he was given by the team when he first came into the competition was very, very poor.

Hopefully that was a lesson learned

[Thryleon]

You would.
But then the young guys keep learning off Murphy.

Some of the excuses you blokes make up are amazing.

So now the CFC wrecked him from game 1.

Poor Mark needs to retire.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-c...arc-murphy

Averaging 2.1 tackles a game.

No one is saying he can't tackle, no one is saying he shouldn't tackle.

People are simply advocating playing him to his strengths.

Whilst his strengths aren't what they used to be he is still sitting in our top 10 performing players for the year, and we re playing kids who aren't ready yet.

If we delisted him last year, he'd get a game at pretty much every club.  Maybe as depth, or maybe in the exact sort of role we are advocating for him where he isnt at the coalface but irrespective he'd still be getting a game, and we would be lamenting his absence whilst we play Cameron polson, Jarrod garlett, lochie o brien, Alex fasolo, Darcy lang, and moaning about how inexperienced our side is.

Leadership isnt always about having an effect by doing.  Have we learned nothing from the absence of kade Simpson and what impact his absence has had on our defense???

I'd wager after today we will have conceded more points without him in the team for the last 10 quarters than we did when he was playing in the first 5 games. 

[cookie2]

Was watching a Youtube yesterday re. our great comeback from 48 points down to beat Ess in 2007. Really was one to highlight Fev's great effort in that game, but it also showed a very youthful Murphy (among others) delivering beautiful lace out passes to Fev I50. Only highlights, but he did look like a very polished performer. I'm sure his years with us have done him no favours so we should always bear that in mind.