Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs. Hawthorn

[Baggers]

Baggers, Dont think we need to change the coach as he is doing a lot right and has the players on his side but he needs help on tactics and match day coaching,
you have to ask what Walls role is ?
There are no standout alternative coaches either and I think the club have to go with Bolton in 2020 but put someone else in the box to help him with tactics.

I agree but fear BB may not listen. He looks to have changed his approach this year, perhaps a little less 'hands on', a la Buckley, Dimma etc. But when push comes to shove does he resort to type... complex instructions/controlling/taking over from his assistants/not trusting assistant? He certainly says all the right things at this year's media conferences.

The side looked decidedly less confident in the 2nd half... was that too much instruction at half time (confusing the players) or was it the Dawks pressure? I don't know. Might have been both. Though the fight back in the last 5 or so minutes was a very good indicator of fiber within the group... just too little, too late. This group does not surrender and that is a strong positive.

I don't agree that BB's tenure should be a fait accompli for 2020. Could be he was the perfect choice to get the club to this level but the next step is beyond him. Could be. He might also deliver many wins from next Sunday onward making the 2020 decision academic.

I'm pretty sure the club won't be happy with 18 honourable losses and 4 wins (or so) for season 2019.

Then there is the playing personnel... did some fade badly in the third qtr because they got ahead of themselves? Were confused by half time messages? Didn't know how to respond to the Dawks increased pressure and altered style? Poor / slow to react on-field leadership?

Whoever BB's immediate boss is, should be demanding from BB smarter (and when needed, more creative) game day coaching and to simplify his message and that honourable losses not longer cut the mustard and his coaching tenure into 2020 is not a foregone conclusion.

Although it is hard to swallow such a terrible capitulation/surrender (which carries the potential for we humble supporters to overreact), I don't think today's lost opportunity was the end of the world, nuh, provided we learn from it/make meaningful change, inside the coaching box and on the field.

[Blueboy_Benny]

FMD - 4 from 38 - who knew? Not as if we never get reminded every 5 minutes.

[laj]

FMD - 4 from 38 - who knew? Not as if we never get reminded every 5 minutes.

Truth hurt?

It's 4 from 38. Doesn't matter what way you say it, that's what it is. Like me to make something up instead to make you feel better?

[LoveNavy]

Another game of 2 halves. A second longer, a rouge umpiring decision less (just 1 or 2 of the arm chops against H for example), a Chad cheating moment disallowed, a putrid disposal less, and.... well. We'd all be singing the club's praises.

I can't work out what happened q3, and feel gutted too. Certainly lots to understand and address. Love that we came back in q4. Very encouraging for a young group.

In all, lots to like, but lots to improve too. Need to be able to keep doing what's working for longer.

PS.
2018 Blues 52 v Hawks 124
The improvement is in the numbers, and the wins will come providing we don't succumb to injuries.

[Professer E]

Is coaching rocket science or something?  Opposition player is cutting you up:

1.  Do something about it.

2.  Ignore it and let player get mountain of possessions.

I don't see how (2), which seems to be Bolton's default position,  contributes to us winning games.

[flyboy77]

I agree but fear BB may not listen. He looks to have changed his approach this year, perhaps a little less 'hands on', a la Buckley, Dimma etc. But when push comes to shove does he resort to type... complex instructions/controlling/taking over from his assistants/not trusting assistant? He certainly says all the right things at this year's media conferences.

The side looked decidedly less confident in the 2nd half... was that too much instruction at half time (confusing the players) or was it the Dawks pressure? I don't know. Might have been both. Though the fight back in the last 5 or so minutes was a very good indicator of fiber within the group... just too little, too late. This group does not surrender and that is a strong positive.

I don't agree that BB's tenure should be a fait accompli for 2020. Could be he was the perfect choice to get the club to this level but the next step is beyond him. Could be. He might also deliver many wins from next Sunday onward making the 2020 decision academic.

I'm pretty sure the club won't be happy with 18 honourable losses and 4 wins (or so) for season 2019.

Then there is the playing personnel... did some fade badly in the third qtr because they got ahead of themselves? Were confused by half time messages? Didn't know how to respond to the Dawks increased pressure and altered style? Poor / slow to react on-field leadership?

Whoever BB's immediate boss is, should be demanding from BB smarter (and when needed, more creative) game day coaching and to simplify his message and that honourable losses not longer cut the mustard and his coaching tenure into 2020 is not a foregone conclusion.

Although it is hard to swallow such a terrible capitulation/surrender (which carries the potential for we humble supporters to overreact), I don't think today's lost opportunity was the end of the world, nuh, provided we learn from it/make meaningful change, inside the coaching box and on the field.

We're young blah bah....

This is Bolton's 4th season ffs - and they're still f...ing up stuff you'd get dropped from an u/12 team for doing....

Who's going to take responsibility.

Personally, after 5 terrible matches this year (for full time pro sportsmen who do nothing but practise this game) - we won't progress till Bolts and Murphy are moved on....

[IvanAwfulbigone]

This one hurts. I’m still shaking my head - did we score an old fashioned traditional “kick to the goal square and let our big man out-mark their big man in the goal square” goal in the first half?

I’d have to watch the replay but I can’t recall even one. Why oh why then, did we think it was going to work in the last quarter?

This is where Clarkson gets the chocolates - 3 times in the last q their big men (well, Impy “plays” big) took strong uncontested marks in or near the goalsquare whilst their teammates played a sacrificial blocking role ensuring Casboult, McKay, et al didn’t get a proper run at the ball.

It was clearly rehearsed and practised.

On the other hand, the free flowing and more chaotic methods we employed in the first half are so much harder to negate.

[Gointocarlton]

Another game of 2 halves. A second longer, a rouge umpiring decision less (just 1 or 2 of the arm chops against H for example), a Chad cheating moment disallowed, a putrid disposal less, and.... well. We'd all be singing the club's praises.

I can't work out what happened q3, and feel gutted too. Certainly lots to understand and address. Love that we came back in q4. Very encouraging for a young group.

In all, lots to like, but lots to improve too. Need to be able to keep doing what's working for longer.

PS.
2018 Blues 52 v Hawks 124
The improvement is in the numbers, and the wins will come providing we don't succumb to injuries.

It was telling when Simmo didnt reappear. When we lost Newmy the nail was hammered in half way. Kruze, who was our most influential player in the first half, going off drove the nail into the coffin. We were like a fighter who had been knocked down several times, at that point, we could have pinched it with a lucky punch but didn't. Not making excuses with the injuries but it was pretty obvious that we cant afford 500 games of experience sitting on the bench for a qtr (almost)

[flyboy77]

Another game of 2 halves. A second longer, a rouge umpiring decision less (just 1 or 2 of the arm chops against H for example), a Chad cheating moment disallowed, a putrid disposal less, and.... well. We'd all be singing the club's praises.

I can't work out what happened q3, and feel gutted too. Certainly lots to understand and address. Love that we came back in q4. Very encouraging for a young group.

In all, lots to like, but lots to improve too. Need to be able to keep doing what's working for longer.

PS.
2018 Blues 52 v Hawks 124
The improvement is in the numbers, and the wins will come providing we don't succumb to injuries.

blah blah, the simple fact is we were playing the dregs last year. This year we weren't and still screwed it up magnificently.

[flyboy77]

It was telling when Simmo didnt reappear. When we lost Newmy the nail was hammered in half way. Kruze, who was our most influential player in the first half, going off drove the nail into the coffin. We were like a fighter who had been knocked down several times, at that point, we could have pinched it with a lucky punch but didn't. Not making excuses with the injuries but it was pretty obvious that we cant afford 500 games of experience sitting on the bench for a qtr (almost)

nothing to do with it. We had capitulated....