Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

[kruddler]

Ed got lucky...reference his first two games of the season....cost us dearly.

.... And I was calling for him to potentially be dropped for this game. Point still stands though.

Every player on your list can't influence every game they play.

[flyboy77]

.... And I was calling for him to potentially be dropped for this game. Point still stands though.

Every player on your list can't influence every game they play.

Well then, you miss the point. Read the Prof's comment - he's being less subtle but more correct.

When we have Doc and Willo at HB for Daisy and Simmo we'll be a lot better team - i'd like daisy at HFF, ditto Murph.

[Micky0]

In the last, we had it in our forward 50 4-5 Times and converted with 3 behinds (I think).  That keeping it in our F50 prior to that, was non existent, which angered me greatly! Make it hard for them to get it out,Lock it in.

people around me were saying stop going to the zone (I couldn’t tell) but why did we wait until the 4th quarter to apply pressure?

To be honest, at the game it just seemed that not only were Syd much more direct with their delivery, but they wanted itmore - saw wat too many times a CFC player standing on the out waiting for the ball to come out.  Hugely frustrating to see Cripps pop up all over the ground doing it all - he’s gonna get mighty sick of doing that for nought every week!

[cookie2]

Ed got lucky...reference his first two games of the season....cost us dearly.

I dips me lid to Ed for yesterday's efforts but will he be able to keep up that sort of contribution, or even close to it, on a regular enough basis?

Anyway, got home from the game yesterday feeling drained and exhausted and eventually, after a few beers, fell asleep for 2 hours on the couch with the Collingwood v Eagles game blaring away. Hopefully I'll be recovered enough to go to our next game in Melbourne, but not feeling very keen atm - a win would work wonders!

[kruddler]

Well then, you miss the point. Read the Prof's comment - he's being less subtle but more correct.

When we have Doc and Willo at HB for Daisy and Simmo we'll be a lot better team - i'd like daisy at HFF, ditto Murph.

You and prof have said the same thing, except you included Ed as a non-contributor he doesn't influence games. I am pointed out that he clearly influenced this game. Yes, he got a bit lucky with some stuff, but sometimes the ball bounces your way.

As for Murphy, Simmo and Daisy......people underestimate how important they are.

At worst, if they have zero influence on the game directly, they are at least forcing the opposition to man up on them and pay them some respect.
Disagree?
Buddy was largely useless for Swans because Jones flogged him.
Does that mean the swans would've been better off without him yesterday?
If he didn't play that means Jones is free to go to someone else, and flogged him...and so on down the pecking order.

The fact those guys are still around means that blokes like Walsh, SPS, Dow, Obrien get a lesser known player on them.

....and thats worst case scenario.

If they perform....

[LoveNavy]

It's an interesting discussion about our seniors.
I'm a Murphy fan but will be the first to admit I am anxious when he's got ball in hand this season. Ditto Simmo, and Daisy has been patchy too.
For mine inconsistencies from our senior core, put too much pressure on our youngsters. Whilst they need challenges to develop, the back up needs to be one they are confident in. Otherwise there's the flow of pressure. 

We all know our side has a wide gulf between senior- junior ranks (my reference is no. AFL games). This is what i see playing out. We have very talented youngsters who need a balance between responsibility- trusting back up (seniors). If our seniors were delivering like say Sydney, as others have noted, it would be a very different game. Remove a couple of those 'passing to someone under greater pressure' acts (clangers etc) each quarter, and suddenly the youngsters have an extra second to master their play.

I hate losing but I think if we can narrow that gap slightly, we'll see our youngsters development enhanced. That imo starts at the selection table. If we look unmatched there, we know what happens next. Walsh on Parker is wonderful exposure but let's not expect the impossible. When we've got more depth at selection (I.e Charlie, Kennedy, Marchy with game time, and Willo), and put that to advantage, we'll get over the line. I also think that Phillips late out, and no Kruez means we are starting behind the 8ball.

Go Blues.

Oh and... Liam Jones
Take a bow. Did your job and did it superbly against one of the best.
Between you and ASOS, our lil buddy might just be getting nagged by the lil man upstairs.
Congratulations.

[jeza]

Jones was BOG.

I feel like I have literally watched a replay of every time we've lost to the Swans for the last 10 years.

Our mids refuse to man up for the entire match. Zone / 10-15m away from their opponents and the Swans just chip the ball through us all day.

It was one of the most disappointing matches I think I've ever watched and I include 90+ point hammerings in that. It's like we have no understanding of the most basic elements required to win a game of football. If you're sitting there on the coaching panel watching the way the Swans very simply chipped their way through our team over and over and over and did nothing to stop it - what are you doing there.

Forget talent/age - this has nothing to do with that - it's just effort. If the coaches instruction is to run that extra 10m to shut down the only option the Swans ball carrier has and the player doesn't follow that instruction then the coach should be dragging you and send you to the VFL the next week and finding someone else to do it.

My suspicion is our coaching performance was seriously sub-par. I have practically never criticised Bolton but this game was winnable and I don't know if Bolton knows how to extract the performance required to win a game any more.

[PaulP]

I never thought it was winnable. The Swans are not what they were, but they are still a good side, and will be playing finals for sure. Still virtually the same team that started 2017 0-6 and finished 6th. They only lost 2 of the last 16 games.

I'm flummoxed that people thought this was winnable.

EDIT : both 2017 and 18 they finished with W/L of 14-8.

[crashlander]

This would have to be one of the most infuriating match reports I've ever read:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/m...0ef3351e18

I won't post the whole thing but here are some highlights:
1. Rarely has a football team been built so exclusively around one player. Cripps isn’t just the heartbeat at Carlton, he’s the entire aorta and the lungs as well.

2. Bolton revealed the Blues had made a conscious effort not to over-coach Walsh. “We haven’t over-coached Walshy. It can be a real trap where you get a young guy in with a real free mind and spirit. It’s so important he keeps playing with the freedom and run he does.”

3. (Bolton)“Our ability to adjust in-game was a conversation. Another conversation was we had an extra scoring shot, but in set-shots we kicked 4.6. There’s a set of fundamentals that add up."

Whoever wrote this, and I don't care who it was, hasn't watched us much and didn't notice much yesterday either.
[1] Jones flogged Franklin in the sort of game that makes you realize just how much he has improved.
[2] Our young mids are better than last year. Not good enough yet, but definitely on the up. Dow, SPS and Fisher to name just three.
[3] Our 3rd string ruck best even with their rucks. Last year it was different.
[4] Has this person ever heard of McKay or Charlie Curnow?

We have our problems, of that there is no doubt. But we are more than a 1 man team, even with Cripps being as good as he is.

[PaulP]

Agree crash.