2018 Rd 18: Post Game Partying: Carlton vs Gold Coast

[flyboy77]

mahjong! 

[Blue Moon]

Just got back from the Gold coast, it is more enjoyable to travel when you win. It was a great move to start Samo off the back flank as it really freed him up. Silvagni had a good game and Byrne was good in the first half. A couple of times Carlton players hit their targets with their passes and the player then held their marks.I think it is called teamwork. It is amazing how good a team can look when they do the simple things well. Players were very passionate about the result which was good to see. The third quarter was incredible, when was the last time we kicked seven in a quarter? Still a lot of work to do but it was better than what has been produced lately.

[kruddler]

To add some light and shade to this discussion somewhat, using Anthony Koutoufides in 2004 as a little bit of a benchmark about what the norm was for an AFL player then, you quickly see that players get much more of the footy these days and the statistical comparison doesnt quite add up.

Where Cripps and Murphy are seeing the ball 35+ times, Kouta was having his best games getting close to 30 touches and his poorer games his stats were in the teens and it might be fair to say that the playing field is not quite comparable between them and leave that as a footnote to the discussion with the only conclusion being that currently, Cameron Polson is yet to stamp his AFL credentials and that he has another season or two to do so.

What I do worry about is that our midget sized coach better not have a soft spot for midget sized players with a heart of gold just because that reflects the way he sees himself.

@Flyboy, this is all about discussing footy.  If you don't like it, keep scrolling.  Kruddler and I are having a rather grown up discussion regarding the merit of a teenager, and how to measure it, using empirical evidence from reputable websites and prior examples.  If not for these discussions in a season where we have been diabolically bad, what the feck else would you like us to talk about???

Lets assume that 30 touches today is the same as 25 touches previously. Seems about right to me. That is an increase of 20% on the figures previously.

20% on top of Simpsons early figures are still not up to Polsons figures.

FWIW, i was never saying Polson is going to be as good as simpson, or had a better start to his career or whatever.
Simply stating that it is too early to make a definitive call on Polson based solely on his possession count at this stage, which some people are doing.

[kruddler]

So Cripps dominated again, as we all know. Got a perfect 10 in the coaches votes, again.

Here's a stat i stole from facebook.

Polling 8+ AFL Coaches votes in 2018

1x: 73 players
2x: 34 players
3x: 12 players
4x: 6 players
5x: Trent Cotchin
6x: Nat Fyfe, Max Gawn, Tom Mitchell
7x:
8x: PATRICK CRIPPS

Brownlow bound?

130 players have received 8+ votes from the coaches in a game this year.
Only 1 has done it more than 6 times.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Lets assume that 30 touches today is the same as 25 touches previously. Seems about right to me. That is an increase of 20% on the figures previously.

20% on top of Simpsons early figures are still not up to Polsons figures.

FWIW, i was never saying Polson is going to be as good as simpson, or had a better start to his career or whatever.
Simply stating that it is too early to make a definitive call on Polson based solely on his possession count at this stage, which some people are doing.

Its not just the poor possession count, he butchers most of his disposals, dont remember Simpson being such a poor user of the ball....
4 possies at 25% with 2 clangars and people rated his game :o.....and he played on Harbrow who had 24 possies.
Next time Nick Graham goes at 25% and his man has 6 times the amount of ball I expect to see the love come forth and nominate him as BOG....
Think the Herald Sun had Jack Heron as worst on ground with 22 points, Polson was equal next with 23......Heron must have played a blinder too.....

[JonHenry]

Didn't look good, but zero f***ing impact.

And was shoved into May

[crashlander]

What a crock!

Charlie's hit on May was like hitting a tank with a feather.  Charlie seemed to be trying to avoid the contact at the last minute and he showed concern for May - who milked the incident to ensure the down field free.

On the other hand, May's hit on Ed was premeditated and intended to hurt.

We should appeal this one and show footage of the May hit to demonstrate the inappropriateness of Charlie's penalty; if May gets a week, Charlie should get a fine at worst.

I saw the incident for the first time tonight on the news, from Channel 7. The first thing that came into my mind was that it was careless and clumsy. If Charlie had wanted to take May out, he wouldn't have done what he did: there are simply more effective ways of dealing with May than that.
Getting a week was a bit rough, but the club will have to think carefully about an appeal of some sort.

May, on the other hand, was very deliberate in what he did. How it was called anything else is amazing.

[dodge]

Crash as JonHenry mentions, he was also pushed - the news clips aren't showing that.  If he wasn't pushed the speed and angles would be such that he wouldn't have hit May high.

[jeza]

How was May's incident judged as careless? If that's not deliberate what is?

[Thryleon]

Lets assume that 30 touches today is the same as 25 touches previously. Seems about right to me. That is an increase of 20% on the figures previously.

20% on top of Simpsons early figures are still not up to Polsons figures.

Not sure if that is a fair assumption, but I think there is a certain level of subjectiveness about the comparison that makes it tough anyway (different positions, Simpson wasnt exactly playing in a team of kids, even though he was one whilst Polson is, and whether or not that made it easier or harder for him to get more of the ball, etc).

FWIW, i was never saying Polson is going to be as good as simpson, or had a better start to his career or whatever.
Simply stating that it is too early to make a definitive call on Polson based solely on his possession count at this stage, which some people are doing.

I know, and I am sure thats not what you were trying to say either, and largely this discussion is born from us agreeing on premise, hence why I said there was merit in your underlying point.