2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

[PaulP]

Bolton is one of many coaches who don't tag Mitchell. When you are in the position we're in, every decision looks like the wrong one.

Say we did put a heavy tag on Mitchell - what then ? Instead of 46 possessions, maybe he gets 20 odd. Instead of 9 tackles, maybe he lays 4. Instead of 2 goals 2, maybe he kicks 1 goal, or simply 2 behinds. Then what ? Hawks still win easily.

Tagging is very over rated, and a minor problem for us in the greater scheme of things. Our biggest problems are in the areas of ball movement, skill execution, player experience and injury, and all the taggers in the world won't help with that.

[JonHenry]

Bolton is one of many coaches who don't tag Mitchell. When you are in the position we're in, every decision looks like the wrong one.

Say we did put a heavy tag on Mitchell - what then ? Instead of 46 possessions, maybe he gets 20 odd. Instead of 9 tackles, maybe he lays 4. Instead of 2 goals 2, maybe he kicks 1 goal, or simply 2 behinds. Then what ? Hawks still win easily.

Tagging is very over rated, and a minor problem for us in the greater scheme of things. Our biggest problems are in the areas of ball movement, skill execution, player experience and injury, and all the taggers in the world won't help with that.

Your right, our biggest problem is ball movement but not ours, the oppositions.
Our pressure, the stuff that we would be judged on, is terrible.
Our "zone defence" is woeful. Opposition simply play right through the middle of it week after week, and we keep doing the same crap.
Maybe we need to do the small things better Paul, like impacting the effectiveness of the oppositions best player.
Pressure him so he isn't as effective by foot which might mean he has 3 score involvements not 12.

[flyboy77]

Tagging is very over rated

One of the more vacuous comments I've heard on here for some time....

[PaulP]

Your right, our biggest problem is ball movement but not ours, the oppositions.
Our pressure, the stuff that we would be judged on, is terrible.
Our "zone defence" is woeful. Opposition simply play right through the middle of it week after week, and we keep doing the same crap.
Maybe we need to do the small things better Paul, like impacting the effectiveness of the oppositions best player.
Pressure him so he isn't as effective by foot which might mean he has 3 score involvements not 12.

So we put a heavy tag on Mitchell, coach looks like a genius, and we lose by 9 or 10 goals instead of 12. Job done ?

Look, the coach isn't an idiot - he is quite aware of the pros and cons of tagging Mitchell. There's plenty of 50/50 decisions that you need to make as a coach. No coach has the manpower to cover all the bases, so you need to make a choice, and because Mitchell had a day out, folks say Bolton is an idiot. I say no, he isn't.

Tagging is not the same as general field pressure, 1%ers etc. At least not in my book.

[LP]

Tagging is not the same as general field pressure, 1%ers etc. At least not in my book.

Tagging is greatly diminished now, the faster ball movement of the current game styles means having a guy who just stops is a luxury teams cannot afford!

[ElwoodBlues1]

Tagging is undervalued and a waste of time? but the bloke coaching the other team who is a multi premiership winning coach found it important enough to tag Cripps and send someone to belt him??

Think I'll stick with Clarkson and Roos ....We are clueless in the coaching box...Mitchell is the brownlow favourite and has been dominating, it was a no brainer.....

[madbluboy]

Tagging is undervalued and a waste of time? but the bloke coaching the other team who is a multi premiership winning coach found it important enough to tag Cripps and send someone to belt him??

Think I'll stick with Clarkson and Roos ....We are clueless in the coaching box...Mitchell is the brownlow favourite and has been dominating, it was a no brainer.....

;D

[DJC]

Tagging is undervalued and a waste of time? but the bloke coaching the other team who is a multi premiership winning coach found it important enough to tag Cripps and send someone to belt him??

Think I'll stick with Clarkson and Roos ....We are clueless in the coaching box...Mitchell is the brownlow favourite and has been dominating, it was a no brainer.....

Ed tagged Smith and did a much better job than Howe did on Cripps.  Clarkson should really have tried someone else on Cripps if he really wanted to curb his influence.  He probably should have had someone on Murphy too as he was second to Mitchell in metres gained.

Mitchell is rarely tagged, and I don’t believe that it’s all down to Buckley dismissing his impact.  Interestingly, Mitchell didn’t attract any coaches’ votes in his previous >40 possession game.  He reminds me of Ablett jnr at his best; a very good player who inflated his performances with inconsequential possessions.

I was happy to see our young blokes going head to head with Mitchell.  That will do much more for their development and the team’s progress than having Ed trying to lock Mitchell down.

[Baggers]

Thats BS...Mitchell has been racking them up for weeks now and had 14 possies in the 1st quarter, OMeara was out and they had Worpel and ORourke as their
2nd and 3rd mids....dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure out who to tag either before the game or after Mitchell had racked up 14 possies in the 1st quarter.
Bolton is inept tactically and not the first time he has fecked up like this...Mitchell had 43 the week before at DE of 83%...how can you let a player like Mitchell run around
unopposed?

Here is Paul Roos opinion below... IMHO we dont have a clue in the coaches box and how our kids can progress I dont know...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton...76cf3d9fa1

Glad this was brought up. I watched On The Couch last night and always like Roos' insights/thoughts. Damning for BB or whoever the hell is running our coach's box (Barker?). "Indefensible... no brainer" etc re tagging either of Smith or Mitchell with Ed then tag the other with a kid to help him learn... yep, no brainer.

Our coaching box can't be so dumb, the only logical explanation is tanking.

[PaulP]

Tagging is undervalued and a waste of time? but the bloke coaching the other team who is a multi premiership winning coach found it important enough to tag Cripps and send someone to belt him??

Think I'll stick with Clarkson and Roos ....We are clueless in the coaching box...Mitchell is the brownlow favourite and has been dominating, it was a no brainer.....

And Cripps' output was about normal, which proves my point. 30 disposals, 2 goals 1, 7 tackles. The tagger did little to quell his influence, and was effectively wasted. Even with their injuries, the Hawks could cover one man doing this job.

We have very limited resources. We can barely kick 80 points per game with 22 fit players and no taggers - how is playing 2 taggers going to help us ?

Whinging about tagging is one of the classic supporter lines. Through no fault of anyone of us, we are simply not privy to what happens in match committee meetings, in the coaches box etc. We can only react to simple scenarios - understandable but frustrating for all of us. Not playing a tag on Mitchell is part of a larger picture, which we don't know about.

When you have players kicking numerous set shots oof, when you have a team that are serial turnover merchants, when you have a team of kids and numpties struggling with zone defense, clearly Bolton has bigger problems than a tag.