2018 Rd 15: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs Brisbane

[LP]

And look where we are. And yet people think we should sack Bolton.

Like I said, I don't know what the answer is, but I can see big problems on match day that are not explained by the talent, and I'm not sure those comparisons to other clubs are valid because none of the coaches were in this rebuild situation as a result of their own clubs doing!

Have you watched a Nthmond game in which you can credit the win on the coaches moves? I can recall coaches like Clarkson, Matthews, Roos and Longmire doing stuff that won them matches, but Dimma? Has there ever been a game that has had everyone talking post match about that Dimma inspired move that won Nthmond the game?

Who takes the credit for Nthmond, Dimma or ...........?

Who takes he blame for Carlton, Bolton or .................. ?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Like I said, I don't know what the answer is, but I can see big problems on match day that are not explained by the talent, and I'm not sure those comparisons are valid because none of the coaches were in this rebuild situation as a result of their own clubs doing!

Have you watched a Nthmond game in which you can credit the win on the coaches moves? I can recall coaches like Clarkson, Matthews, Roos and Longmire doing stuff that won them matches, but Dimma? Has there ever been a game that has had everyone talking post match about that Dimma inspired move that won Nthmond the game?

Who takes the credit for Nthmond, Dimma or ...........?

I guess the Martin to Full Forward was his signature move but now he has Caddy down there he doesnt do it as often....

[Lods]

Skillful tanking.

Except we don't have to tank...with our poor percentage we were a clear two games behind everyone else and remain so.

[laj]

If we don't have the talent, why sack the coach ? Won't the next coach have the same problems ? Since 2000, we've had Parkin, Brittain, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse, Barker and Bolton. That must be close to an AFL/VFL record, even if you take Barker out. And look where we are. And yet people think we should sack Bolton.

We continue to pick the wrong coaches. Brittain, who had never played the game, took us from PF to the spoon in two years, we took Pagan and Malthouse on reputation as hopeful messiahs, old coaches way past their best, game had passed them by, and Bolton, the other extreme, young coach who, like Brittain had never played AFL, never a great idea with a zero success rate with Victorian clubs, who's not up to the task of a big rebuild.

The one that did improve us against the odds was Ratten and we sacked him with an 11-10 record just to show what a decent coach can do. We'd kill for that. He took us from the pits of shite to finalists in two years with a pretty average side hampered by poor recruiting. Cream at the top, shite at the bottom.

No, a good coach will improve things. Beveridge being a good example. Dogs were below us when he took over and they were premiers within two years. We are going backwards at a million miles an hour, can't go on like this.

[Barbs]

If we don't have the talent, why sack the coach ? Won't the next coach have the same problems ? Since 2000, we've had Parkin, Brittain, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse, Barker and Bolton. That must be close to an AFL/VFL record, even if you take Barker out. And look where we are. And yet people think we should sack Bolton.

We have a list full of talent that is under performing.

Individuals not giving their best in a system that doesn't allow them to. We consistently set up in the wrong places around the ground, repeatedly watch the opposition exploit the same defensive failings in our tactics, move the ball slowly rather than take the game or run together in offence and fail to offer anything resembling pressure around the ground.

The zone defence doesn't work and we keep making baffling player selections. We all see it, the commentators see it and it appears that the players know it. The only people not seeing it are the match committe, Bolton and the coaching panel.

Rather than clear out the list (again) and try the same deficient coaches with a new group I'd rather see the same players given a new game plan, coaching group and development plan (and maybe medical support so they aren't playing injured)

[LP]

I guess the Martin to Full Forward was his signature move but now he has Caddy down there he doesnt do it as often....

And it took a skilful coach to work that one out, would Dusty to anywhere be a tactical winner!

Did Ratten get credit for sending Judd anywhere on the field?

Our current problems are much much bigger, and while some answers might be obvious they are clearly much harder to implement!

But I worry when Leigh Matthews implies we are a rabble that cannot even do the basics like handball or kick!

[laj]

And it took a skilful coach to work that one out, would Dusty to anywhere be a tactical winner!

Did Ratten get credit for sending Judd anywhere on the field?

Our current problems are much much bigger, and while some answers might be obvious they are clearly much harder to implement!

But I worry when Leigh Matthews implies we are a rabble that cannot even do the basics like handball or kick!

When we recruited them, the recent ones, there was a focus on having those skills. What happens when they get to Carlton?

[LP]

When we recruited them, the recent ones, there was a focus on having those skills. What happens when they get to Carlton?

I don't know, it's something EB1 and myself have been on about for a long time, player development, but I can't say it's all about BB but the buck does stop with him!

There is something sick at our club, it seems to be collapsing, termites!

I have doubt about BB, but I have even greater doubts about the club having his back!

[blue4life]

I think many of us get that B4L, but it doesn't explain the lack of passion or sacrifice we see on the field, or the lack of structure!

There was plenty of passion against Collingwood and Port, and what looked like a complete lack of it against Freo and again todsy.
I don't think that it's a lack of passion or spirit, I think it's that we are still putting together a team and there's a basic lack of cohesion and belief.
Whether we'll get there in the end or whether Bolton is the right man for the job I honestly have no idea, but I do know that no coach could win many games with the players he has at his disposal.
There are simply too many hacks and B graders on our list, it's the weakest Carlton team I've ever seen.

[LP]

There are simply too many hacks and B graders on our list, it's the weakest Carlton team I've ever seen.

But BB and SOS have been in charge of a massive rebuild that turned over more the 40 players?