2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle

[blue4life]

He coached from the 80s till 3 years ago and was going great guns till he came to our rabble of a club. It was us not him.

We made a scapegoat out of him for sure but he was still a bad appointment.
I doubt that he really wanted the job to begin with but took it to stick it to Collingwood, and our supporters and members were never on board with him so it was a losing battle from the get go.
He was just another one in our long line of tactical disasters.

[Professer E]

When he delayed coming to The club due to his book launch I knew he wasnt fair dinky.

[blue4life]

When he delayed coming to The club due to his book launch I knew he wasnt fair dinky.

There was that, but he didn't get a fair crack at it anyway.
What strikes me is that we can seemingly take highly experienced, highly successful premiership coaches and turn them into hacks, yet here we are all these years later languishing on the bottom of the ladder after a new broom supposedly swept all of our error ridden past aside.
There's something very wrong at the CFC.
As for those defending Ratten, another abysmal coaching appointment in my view, they should ask themselves whether they would be so strident in their defence of him if he'd played his football at Richmond.

[PaulP]

The truth is we should have stuck with Malthouse.

The truth is any coach is only as good as the club. Malthouse had the best talent at the Eagles, and the best support network possible at the Pies. The Pies team from the early 2000's were not elite, but they had Buckley (their Judd) and recruited tough accountable players who could play to  a system, and Malthouse coached them well. The talent profile had certainly changed for the better by 2010, 2011.

He coached for too long. The year off (2012) was a big thing that is underplayed IMO. Once you lose the momentum, especially at his age, it's very hard to get it back.

You need to ask yourself why we were the only club interested in his services, before he came to us and also after. No other club went near him. It's a big tell.

[PaulP]

There was that, but he didn't get a fair crack at it anyway.
What strikes me is that we can seemingly take highly experienced, highly successful premiership coaches and turn them into hacks, yet here we are all these years later languishing on the bottom of the ladder after a new broom supposedly swept all of our error ridden past aside.
There's something very wrong at the CFC.
As for those defending Ratten, another abysmal coaching appointment in my view, they should ask themselves whether they would be so strident in their defence of him if he'd played his football at Richmond.

Yes.

[dodge]

Being 70 points behind at half time has nothing to do with Malthouse.

I got to listen to three snippets on 3LO.  Mark McClure was ripping right into the Blues - commenting on the rubbish kicks that miss their targets etc.  He did give some praise for the minor points after half time but also knew that Freo were going half pace then.

Voting would be pretty hard I would imagine, as I wouldn't think that many were any good when the team is that bad.

Seeing a little of the Werribee v Sandringham day got me thinking...

If you were told you were going to lose by 70 points, what would you prefer the score to be (average points per game is 165 this season):
- 150 to 80
- 120 to 50
- 90 to 20

[Professer E]

Hard to be a successful coach when you don't have them cattle,  and those you'd have aren't utilised to their strengths.

BTW has our prez come out of stasis to say anything of value?

[malo]

Yes.

Another hypothetical.....as I love going over completely useless scenarios from the past in my mind....helps stave off insanity....or maybe it's an indication of the onset of it.  Anyway....

Would Hardwick still be coaching us if we'd appointed him around the time Ratts was extended ?

[laj]

The truth is any coach is only as good as the club. Malthouse had the best talent at the Eagles, and the best support network possible at the Pies. The Pies team from the early 2000's were not elite, but they had Buckley (their Judd) and recruited tough accountable players who could play to  a system, and Malthouse coached them well. The talent profile had certainly changed for the better by 2010, 2011.

He coached for too long. The year off (2012) was a big thing that is underplayed IMO. Once you lose the momentum, especially at his age, it's very hard to get it back.

You need to ask yourself why we were the only club interested in his services, before he came to us and also after. No other club went near him. It's a big tell.

A good coach will get alot more out of a side, even a so-called poor side, than a crappy coach. Might not win a flag but they surprise you with how many they win. Same in any sport. Coach is the 2nd most important person in a club outside of the recruiter. If it all come down to talent and not the coach then why have a coach.

2014 the Dogs were behind us on the ladder. Changed coaches to Beveridge and they are finalists then win the flag. Players were a year more developed admittedly but it was essentially the same group.

Last year, while we won 6 games, we led 7 times in last qtrs and lost. Fair effort for a young side. Despite injuries, this year is a failure so far and if we finish with just one win then you'd have to convince me hard as to why Bolton should stay. That's unacceptable. If we get a few wins, well, that might be different.

[flyboy77]

Last year, while we won 6 games, we led 7 times in last qtrs and lost. Fair effort for a young side. Despite injuries, this year is a failure so far and if we finish with just one win then you'd have to convince me hard as to why Bolton should stay. That's unacceptable. If we get a few wins, well, that might be different.

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