2018 Rd 13: Post Game Prattling-Carlton v Fremantle

[LoveNavy]

I think Carlton merchandising should be selling signed commemorative white flags after yesterday's performance.

Pretty sure the AFL and anti-Carlton media have that stitched up already. E.g. see afl video the round so far. Starts with Carlton are inexcusably sh%t.... ends with the same.

[LP]

Just about every other side plays that way now. This is the lowest scoring season since 1968.

Yet as LN points out, we are the focus!

Pretty sure the AFL and anti-Carlton media have that stitched up already. E.g. see afl video the round so far. Starts with Carlton are inexcusably sh%t.... ends with the same.

Is it because other clubs are so much better at managing the media than Carlton, it seems it is nothing to do with game style, list management or anything else. As @Laj points out they are all playing similarly negative game styles.

Have the opposition clubs collectively pointed the finger at Carlton as a way of deflecting from themselves, or is the media being used by opponents as a way of forcing us to play a game style that makes us less competitive! Our negative game style last season was clearly not far off causing some significant upsets!

Do or should we give a stuff if the AFL media and other struggling AFL clubs need scoring breaks to earn revenue? Does Carlton also need this to become profitable, or should it just be more focussed on winning some games? Why should Carlton support there cause, what support have we received in recent years when all they do is kick us while we are down? Is it time for us to cause them some fiscal pain, win on our terms at their expense?

It was interesting was a couple of weeks back, when the Priority Pick stuff was being discussed, just how many in the media / opposition fear that if we can get our sh1t together we will soon do a Nthmond and rocket up the membership and AFL ladder! I'm not so sure, I think it's just an excuse they use to keep on kicking us while we are down, as it's much easier to keep on kicking us when we are down than to try and apply the breaks if we start to climb!

Should they fear Carlton if it gathers any momentum?

[shawny]

We are all very quick to go the coach.....easy target IMO.

Only have to watch the replay of the 1st half when there was some pressure on and see our so called senior players (we all know who they are) turn over regulation 20-25 metre passes time and time again. Our senior players skill level is that far below par its laughable. :-[

Put Clarkson in the coaches box yesterday and the result is the same IMO. You can switch players around and make all the moves you like and have the best game day plans in place but have a senior core that cant execute the very basics and you get results like yesterday. Its as simple as that.
   
Need min of 8-10 decent ball users and boot out the hacks we continue to persist with. Couldn't care less if they are A, B or C grade as long as they have clean foot skills.

More of the mould of Fisher and no more Lamb, Kerridge, Graham, Lamb, Rowe, O'Shea, Mullett, Casboult types. I could keep going. :-X

[laj]

We are all very quick to go the coach.....easy target IMO.

Only have to watch the replay of the 1st half when there was some pressure on and see our so called senior players (we all know who they are) turn over regulation 20-25 metre passes time and time again. Our senior players skill level is that far below par its laughable. :-[

Put Clarkson in the coaches box yesterday and the result is the same IMO. You can switch players around and make all the moves you like and have the best game day plans in place but have a senior core that cant execute the very basics and you get results like yesterday. Its as simple as that.
   
Need min of 8-10 decent ball users and boot out the hacks we continue to persist with. Couldn't care less if they are A, B or C grade as long as they have clean foot skills.

More of the mould of Fisher and no more Lamb, Kerridge, Graham, Lamb, Rowe, O'Shea, Mullett, Casboult types. I could keep going. :-X

Also the correct target. Players are totally lost with that zoning, offensive crap and mentally fall apart. You play to your strengths, especially in winnable game. Yesterday was a total F up all round. If Bolton hasn't learned we can't play that game plan after all the times we have been humiliated then he shouldn't be there. When we play our regular plan, the players are right into and give 100% and are very competitive against all teams. When we play that zoning, offensive crap, we look like we can't get near the ball and get wiped off the map. That's on the coach. You work it out.

[LP]

We are all very quick to go the coach.....easy target IMO.

That is generalising Shawny, many of us are giving BB more time but are not so forgiving of some long term appointees around him.

Only have to watch the replay of the 1st half when there was some pressure on and see our so called senior players (we all know who they are) turn over regulation 20-25 metre passes time and time again. Our senior players skill level is that far below par its laughable. :-[

Lots of posters pointed this out yesterday, while the kids were bad so were the seniors, the seniors do not and should not get a pass mark for past good deeds when they deliver that crap!

Put Clarkson in the coaches box yesterday and the result is the same IMO. You can switch players around and make all the moves you like and have the best game day plans in place but have a senior core that cant execute the very basics and you get results like yesterday. Its as simple as that.

Doubt the Freo run on would have lasted so long, but again referring to the first point it's as much about the support coaches as it is the front man! Something that makes Clarkson great is listening to the support crew and harvesting the best suggestions, does BB ignore suggestions or are they absent? We've seen this sort of things happening for too long, more than the reign of a single coach, it can't just be BB!

Need min of 8-10 decent ball users and boot out the hacks we continue to persist with. Couldn't care less if they are A, B or C grade as long as they have clean foot skills.

True, but isn't that part of player development, how many of our long term players have improved in field kicking? It's not just all about the list management and match day tactics!

More of the mould of Fisher and no more Lamb, Kerridge, Graham, Lamb, Rowe, O'Shea, Mullett, Casboult types. I could keep going. :-X

The worry is Fisher types will go backwards in our environment, I suspect that was the message hidden in Rhys Palmer's tweets yesterday!

[LP]

That's on the coach. You work it out.

I don't accept that any AFL coach willingly plays a game style that gives his squad less chance of victory, this reeks of external influence!

Maybe we are broke, maybe that has made us beholding to our benefactors, and maybe that is why we have folded under public pressure!

It looks and feels to me like we are coached by the media, and at the moment the media have got it very wrong! It's chaotic!

[PaulP]

We are all very quick to go the coach.....easy target IMO.

Only have to watch the replay of the 1st half when there was some pressure on and see our so called senior players (we all know who they are) turn over regulation 20-25 metre passes time and time again. Our senior players skill level is that far below par its laughable. :-[

Put Clarkson in the coaches box yesterday and the result is the same IMO. You can switch players around and make all the moves you like and have the best game day plans in place but have a senior core that cant execute the very basics and you get results like yesterday. Its as simple as that.
   
Need min of 8-10 decent ball users and boot out the hacks we continue to persist with. Couldn't care less if they are A, B or C grade as long as they have clean foot skills.

More of the mould of Fisher and no more Lamb, Kerridge, Graham, Lamb, Rowe, O'Shea, Mullett, Casboult types. I could keep going. :-X

I agree. Our senior group (200+ games) is in the main either injured, ordinary, or past it, and our core group (100-150 games) is much the same. As I've said before, I have a soft spot for Levi, but when your 100-150 gamers are blokes like him, Jones, Mullet etc., well, you can join the dots I'm sure. The only exception is Wright IMO.

[Lods]

We're pretty much a joke in some folks eyes.
At least three shots on AFL Game Day.

1)Bolton couldn't get the top off his drink bottle

2)Some reference to Spain, Portugal (World Cup) and Carlton that I kind of missed the point of.....(found out what that was- )

First Half goals

2 Portugal
1 Spain
0 Carlton

3) Their amusement at some of the Carlton (talk back) members threatening to burn memberships and memorabilia at half-time.

Yep, that's on them.
Media mongrels!
They're quick to stick the boot in and have a laugh at our expense.

But sadly we're going to cop that because that's where we're at!

[LP]

I agree. Our senior group (200+ games) is in the main either injured, ordinary, or past it, and our core group (100-150 games) is much the same. As I've said before, I have a soft spot for Levi, but when your 100-150 gamers are blokes like him, Jones, Mullet etc., well, you can join the dots I'm sure. The only exception is Wright IMO.

It's that soft spot that lets you get stabbed in the heart, just takes 14mm! :o

[cookie2]

We're pretty much a joke in some folks eyes.
At least three shots on AFL Game Day.

1)Bolton couldn't get the top off his drink bottle

2)Some reference to Spain, Portugal (World Cup) and Carlton that I kind of missed the point of.

3) Their amusement at some of the Carlton (talk back) members threatening to burn memberships and memorabilia at half-time.

Yep, that's on them.
Media mongrels!
They're quick to stick the boot in and have a laugh at our expense.

But sadly we're going to cop that because that's where we're at!

A LOT LOT more was made out of our poor showing than was made out of the Dogs and Crows spankings.