2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

[PaulP]

Ask Jarrad Waite how he got on with Ratts.

Ratts probably got the sh1ts with him because he was a dumb f4ck - if he wasn't injured, he was suspended or having a bad hair day. Malthouse blasted him as well.

His best was elite, but playing at that level 5% of the time doesn't cut it.

[Gointocarlton]

Most of the playing list onside.....

Agree. Point is, every coach would have players not on the same page as him for a host of reasons.

[blue4life]

Seriously though, Leigh Matthews made the point a couple of years ago (which I agree with) that sometimes too much is made of the senior coach's importance.

I tend to agree, because as we've been discussing here today decisions about recruiting and list management are at least as critical to long term success as is day to day coaching, often far more so, and often the senior coach has only limited input.
I think that Bolton will do a good job but he's been handed a bit of a poisoned chalice, but then so was Denis Pagan.

[Jofo]

I can think of one or two past players, but agree.  Should be a Carlton man

Name one coach who has won a flag in the past 10 years with his original club. The last were Roos and Worsfold in 2005 and 2006. Hardwick, Beveridge, Clarkson, Scott, Malthouse and Longmire all played with different clubs to the ones they coached to a premiership. Think also Parkin, Matthews, Sheedy, et. al. Bringing in a ‘Carlton man’ is folly.

[blue4life]

Ratts probably got the sh1ts with him because he was a dumb f4ck - if he wasn't injured, he was suspended or having a bad hair day. Malthouse blasted him as well.

His best was elite, but playing at that level 5% of the time doesn't cut it.

Waite didn't play too many bad games in his time at Carlton, his biggest problem was that he was injury prone so he struggled to get a consistent run at it.
Nothing's changed at North but his current coach seems happy with him.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Agree. Point is, every coach would have players not on the same page as him for a host of reasons.

Yep Most teams have a Waite, Stringer, Vickery, Fev, Hall etc on their list, someone talented who frustrates you to the max and it ends up going South....

[PaulP]

Waite didn't play too many bad games in his time at Carlton, his biggest problem was that he was injury prone so he struggled to get a consistent run at it.
Nothing's changed at North but his current coach seems happy with him.

My recollection is that he was inconsistent, and infuriatingly so.

[LoveNavy]

Name one coach who has won a flag in the past 10 years with his original club. The last were Roos and Worsfold in 2005 and 2006. Hardwick, Beveridge, Clarkson, Scott, Malthouse and Longmire all played with different clubs to the ones they coached to a premiership. Think also Parkin, Matthews, Sheedy, et. al. Bringing in a ‘Carlton man’ is folly.

Good points Jofo.
The discussion was initially in relation to a mentor for our novice coach. Not the Carltonness of the coach per se.
There's suggestion that BB could do with a mentor, particularly in the box. What do you think?

[kruddler]

Waite didn't play too many bad games in his time at Carlton, his biggest problem was that he was injury prone so he struggled to get a consistent run at it.
Nothing's changed at North but his current coach seems happy with him.

You my friend have a memory that is failing you badly.

[kruddler]

Agree. Point is, every coach would have players not on the same page as him for a host of reasons.

Malthouses favourite saying in regards to this is simple.

The 22nd player on the list thinks you are a genius,
The 23rd player on the list thinks you are a hack.

That can be extrapolated out