2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

[shawny]

only started watching very end of Q1, turned it off ten minutes into the second.

We have no spirit.

Fly, You were the one poster that was the most optimistic after how we would go this year.

Yet you seemed to have thrown in the towel after 2 and 1/2 rounds? 

I liked your optimism and hope.....I'm hoping you of all posters wont give up on us just yet mate!

[blue4life]

I doubt there was any rebuild during the Ratten era. We had Fev, and from what I could tell, the next part of the plan was "get Judd, and start winning games of footy."

More of a re plastering, wall papering job methinks.

In a nutshell.
This is the first rebuild in my lifetime and I got my first membership in 1964.
It's hard work but in these days of drafts, salary caps and free agency it's the only way, the great tragedy is that it took us 15 years to catch on.
The negligence, infighting and general incompetence at the club until recently means that it will be more difficult than it should have been, but like it or not there is simply no alternative.
We've finally put the foundations in place, but it won't happen in two, three or even four years.

[cookie2]

@Shawny

Yes and of course our zone defence approach also allows the opposition to pretty much control the match-ups, as we also saw last night.

[madbluboy]

I couldn't blame the back line at all for last night, Collingwood were sweeping the ball down the ground under no pressure.

[Jack Burton]

Last night was very disappointing. Our use of the ball was probably a bit better than last week (coming off a very low base there), but that seemed to be mainly because we went back to choosing safer options, short sideways chip kicks etc. There were a number of tinmes where we could have gone to Casboult or C Curnow 1 on 1 deep, and chose to chip sideways instead. But the worst aspect of last night was our work rate. At the game it was very obvious that they worked harder than us without the ball, we either couldn't or wouldn't match their spread from the contests, which was particularly evident after a forward 50 turnover. This is simply players not working hard enough. Finally, our tackling must be clearly the worst in the league. Our tackling numers are way down on other teams, and we seem to miss so many tackles by just hanging an arm out and getting brushed aside. I'd like to see some guys throwing their shoulders into some tackles and making the opposition pay when they get the ball. We may be young and low on talent, but it doesn't take talent to chase as hard as you can, run hard off the ball, and be manic in your attempt to tackle. This is what disappointed me the most last night

[flyboy77]

Hard to argue BluePhantom.

We really are soft as piss and fail to execute basic skills for a so called elite level team.

And Weitering should be dropped. Fix whatever the problem is then he comes back in...

Polson, Dow, Lamb, Weiters - we basically started with 18.

There simply is no good reason - or logic - to play Dow in the 1s at this stage of his career.

Dare I say it, had Kerridge played in his stead (and even Graham in Polson's stead) we would have won 2 out of 3.

Picking Polson - who had NO FORM TO SPEAK OF ANYWAY - WAS EVEN MORE stupid. Is BB trying to be clever? He's a very poor man's Murphy and at his size you ned real tricks - I ain't seeing anything other than a silly mo...

Well, here's a tip. BIG FAIL. BIG, BIG FAIL.

Play the percentages Bolts, you're not good enough as a Coach (let alone with the troops you elect to field) to get away with cute stuff.

And as for Murphy. The sooner he steps down as Captain the better imo, he ain't a leader's rear end.....not his fault granted. Just another remarkable blunder by the CFC brains trust.

Incapable of mustering and motivating his team mates - big problem that.

[flyboy77]

Fly, You were the one poster that was the most optimistic after how we would go this year.

Yet you seemed to have thrown in the towel after 2 and 1/2 rounds? 

I liked your optimism and hope.....I'm hoping you of all posters wont give up on us just yet mate!

Losing I can stomach if the effort is there.

Conceding 10 unanswered goals - to an ordinary - team is a massive, massive disgrace.

The lack of leadership shown by Murphy - and he must shoulder most of the blame as an experienced 'leader' - is simply breathtakingly pathetic (and heart breaking).

Where's the vocal geeing up, the rant if needed during the game?

As the say, the rot starts at the top. How do you reckon the kids fire up when their skipper misses untold tackles or 'nail' a 20m soft, up and under kick that goes straight to an opponent....?

I  am sure Marc's a nice bloke, but a leader he is not....

And if Bolton hasn't seen that, he's a dud. (and pls don't reply with well the players voted for him....  : )

[flyboy77]

And if Bolton wasn't extremely, extremely disappointed (and right royally ropeable) with that effort last night - and admit it - which he hasn't, he should be questioned too.

It wasn't about the kids really - the whole side went missing for 40 odd minutes....entirely, totally unacceptable for a fully professional team to do that. Zero leadership.

Quite frankly, heads should roll.

The 'be patient' mantra is a smoke screen imo, get some strong leaders in and problem solved - piss weak efforts will not be tolerated.

Bit hard to criticise piss weak efforts as Coach, when your Captain is front and centre.

[Jack Burton]

But what's the alternative? We've had a policy of recruiting introverted nice guys for years, no matter who we make captain it will still be an introverted nice guy

[crashlander]

I was so disappointed with the 1st half yesterday. I couldn't imagine us showing less spirit, less desire or less pressure.
After half time there was more to like, a lot more. But the turnovers are still killing us!

Some thoughts:
[1] Lamb vs Howe
Howe had 18 disposals while Lamb had only 9. That looks bad. However, Lamb had a job: he niggled Howe at every opportunity and took him out of the play. He has been one of the major drivers for Collingwood and he had no effect on the game at all.
That was the good.
The bad? Lamb struggled to get a kick himself and put on virtually no pressure.
Who wins this one?
I can't call Lamb a winner. He needs to do more than irritate defenders.

[2] David Cuningham in defence:
Looking at the stats, Cunners had 14 possessions. Not a great number, but I thought he was one of the more positive things for the night. His run from defence was good. In fact, I think it was one of his best games for us.

[3] Aaron Mullett:
Last week he did a reasonable job and got a fair bit of the ball. But he really didn't have much influence last night. 6 possessions wasn't much, especially as his disposal is his strength. At this point he is a major disappointment.
However, he did spend time on Varcoe, who was kept right out of the play.

[4] Jacob Weitering:
This was one of Jake's better games this year, but he really did have some issues dealing with Cox and Reid. I'd really like to see Weitering go back to the 2nds for a while if either Alex Silvagni or Sam Rowe are fit enough to do the job. Both Rowe and Silvagni have mature bodies and excellent techniques for playing big forwards. They also allow Jones to play on the leading forward, where his pace and desire come to the fore.

[5] Kreuzer vs Grundy:
How in God's name did Grundy fall to Collingwood's pick!?!? I really rated him and still do. He had a great battle with Kreuzer last night and ended up just barely ahead. Kreuzer getting on top of Grundy in the 3rd and 4th quarters was one of the reasons we got back into the game.

[6] Match ups in the middle:
We were pounded in the middle last night. Collingwood managed to curb Cripp's influence in the centre square and we didn't have the match-ups to keep Collingwood's mids out of the play. I would have played Kerridge: he can play a negative game and still get a lot of ball.