2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

[Thryleon]

That's the thing that has me buggered.
It was so obvious a strange selection decision....what were they thinking?
What is the secret 'plan'?

Ive got one scenario that makes sense (without any inside knowledge) but the selection of Dow, O'Shea and Mullet ahead of blokes like Cunningham and McKay might tell a little bit about the issue currently bothering our club.

The selection of Polson confirms it, but from what I have heard, we are prioritising blokes that will do what is asked of them, and play the role assigned to them, ahead of others who may be just going.

Silvagni is the only selection that debunks this theory, as young Jack doesnt strike me as a take it for granted sort of bloke and works his dot off, but the fact they pushed him onball against Port Melbourne might simply point to him learning a different role at the moment.

[flyboy77]

I have it on good authority that when Harry first landed on our shores and bunked up initially with one of our more senior players (and his partner) he was quite the spoilt, lazy brat. Expected to have everything done for him and was exceptionally rude and ungrateful. Apparently he was moved on from that place when patience wore thin.
Not sure if this is a reflection on his current work ethic but maybe he thinks he's a bit better than the rest?

Not a good start, that's for sure. First impressions and all that....

[LP]

I have it on good authority that when Harry first landed on our shores and bunked up initially with one of our more senior players (and his partner) he was quite the spoilt, lazy brat. Expected to have everything done for him and was exceptionally rude and ungrateful. Apparently he was moved on from that place when patience wore thin.

Not sure if this is a reflection on his current work ethic but maybe he thinks he's a bit better than the rest?

Not sure it's reflected in his work ethic because the kids size and shape has improved significantly.

btw., In my experience at TAC Cup Development levels that is a pretty standard description of the kids being pushed through the system by their parents. Interestingly, a mate who is a senior TAC Cup coach tells me that is exactly the attitude many coaches and recruiters look for, they want kids with some arrogance and with an expectation of success as long as it is accompanied by a training work ethic. They want a Wayne Carey.

The thought is that if they are too timid and conformist they are unlikely to succeed at AFL level. But I don't agree, I think Bruce Doull is the perfect contradiction to those claims. FWIW, Weitering is more a Bruce Doull type than a Wayne Carey.

Doull is another excellent contrast for what has happened with Weitering. Look at Doull's first few seasons. I know I've posted this before but Doull was surrounded by Waite, Hall, Lofts, Goold, Pinnell, McKay and allowed to develop for 3 or 4 years before he became a key feature alongside Southby. Not a bad apprenticeship!

[townsendcalling]

I read the report on the website about our NB players and comments from the coach about their game on the weekend. I don't know specifically why, and maybe it's more about what gets talked about on here, but what was said about McKay suggested to me that they are not overly happy with the way he is going.

"It was a step in the right direction for 'H', but the next challenge is building consistency."

I dont know. I just reread it and it didnt sound bad the second time.

Interestingly we have a 'like for like' comparison with his twin brother working in another system. As yet, there has been no indication that North want to fast track Ben into the firsts, even though he has not had the injury problems that his brother has had.  Maybe we are expecting too much of a 205 cm kid still trying to work out his body and how best to use it against men.

[LP]

Maybe we are expecting too much of a 205 cm kid still trying to work out his body and how best to use it against men.

Very true, but Norp have a settled, reliable and mature KPD structured around Tarrant and Thompson which is also a factor.

I'm sure if we had an equivalent KPF structure the calls to accelerate McKay wouldn't exist.

Next game our KPF structure could be full of 20 year olds! :o

[cookie2]

I guess the SOS Character Meter was set to Snooze Mode when they interviewed him.

My first thoughts too.

[flyboy77]

From the Coaches (and says it all).

CARLTON v GOLD COAST
10 Tom Lynch (GC)
8 Jarryd Lyons (GC)
4 Jack Martin (GC)
3 David Swallow (GC)
2 Nick Holman (GC)
2 Jarrod Witts (GC)
1 Ed Curnow (Carl)

[Shakin77]

Playing McKay at least would have helped Curnow and Weitering up forward.

Everyone said it before the game so it's not a hindsight thing. It was a terrible decision and it cost us any chance of winning and now Bolton for the first time in his short career has a little bit of heat on him.

I get that it didnt work but the other options where piss poor.  M Its not like we passed over Shane Mumford or Justin Madden who where running around in the twos.

McKay would have added zero in the ruck.  5 hit outs max.  Maybe a goal or two up forward but with the delivery from the midfield more likley zero

No one in that VFL side would have made any difference.

This game wasnt lost at the selection table

And for the record a three tall forward line?  Yeah that would help our crowded and congested forward line.    A defenders dream

[Shakin77]

Can someone tell me the four emergencies for the Richmond game?

I am working on a theory that Polson was selected for a period of good work over the preseason and not one game at VFL level.    Slightly left field

[ElwoodBlues1]

From the Coaches (and says it all).

CARLTON v GOLD COAST
10 Tom Lynch (GC)
8 Jarryd Lyons (GC)
4 Jack Martin (GC)
3 David Swallow (GC)
2 Nick Holman (GC)
2 Jarrod Witts (GC)
1 Ed Curnow (Carl)

Could have had Lyons.....his stats last season were impressive too and in a poor team...