2018 Rd 3: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Collingwood

[cookie2]

I agree with all those sentiments except I don't call them fillers up forward, they are the role models, teachers, tone setters.

At the moment our young forwards are learning off Casboult, whatever are they learning? :o

Am I being unfair?

The long bow is out of the cabinet again?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Reality is that Kerr was pick 65, even Jack was pick 53...only Harry and Charlie C would be seen as a good chance to make it....

Harry has a lot of pressure on him to make it and I reckon the footy dept want that pressure on slow release and wont be playing him in the seniors if they dont have to..

This season is probably a write off in terms of ladder position making major progress etc  and the forward line is still very experimental. if I was guessing I think the club will try and recruit a more readymade KP Forward for 2019 to help take the heat off the kids and also win some games as the pressure builds on Bolton and SOS.

[LP]

The long bow is out of the cabinet again?

Give me your alternatives, which player do you put besides the kids for them to learn off? Who leads them in F50?

If you want to ask critical questions, accept that the questions you pose imply a position whether you mean it or not. If you fail to make the meaning behind a question explicit, I'm free to infer whatever I like!

Again you are letting your hatred for someone distract you,

Not hatred, reality, we know what Casboult delivers, do we want more of the same from our young recruits?

Who sets the kids on the straight and narrow Cookie2, or who sends them off the rails! Is it only the coaching staff, or do those around them contribute to the long term outcome?

Is Casboult a positive or negative contributing factor or is he a nothing, he must be at least one of those options?

[cookie2]

Give me your alternatives, which player do you put besides the kids for them to learn off? Who leads them in F50?

If you want to ask critical questions, accept that the questions you pose imply a position whether you mean it or not.

Not hatred, reality, we know what Casboult delivers, do we want more of the same from our young recruits?

Who sets them on the straight and narrow Cookie2, or who sends them off the rails! Is it only the coaching staff, or do those around them contribute to the long term outcome?

Casboult as we all know is year by year proposition and I very much doubt that he has any real role to play in the coaching of young players, in the same way as you vehemently pointed out some time ago would Lobbe. The youngsters are going currently going through a development process mapped out by the club, playing mainly in the VFL so far, and both Kerr and Harry have not even played alongside Levi that much. Do you think that BB says to them "I'm taking  you both to watch the seniors today and I want you both to watch Levi closely, be in wonder and learn".  )

PS. Beware of trying to interpret what people may or may not be implying - tricky process that.

[Lods]

Levi is filling a role...but he's not a role model...I don't think anyone regards him as such.
With Kreuzer out he's been asked to shoulder a bit of extra weight.
As a result he's probably being marked a bit more harshly than usual...and he's usually marked pretty harshly.
I feel a bit sorry for him...expectations have always been high but who has he had in the side to learn from?
Who has been his KPF mentor?
He's also our only mature key forward at the moment....and that's been the case for some time.
It actually makes you think about sticking Rowe and A. Silvagni into that forward line with Casboult and rotating the young'uns through.
While not necessarily role models they offer maturity, experience and a bit of protection.

[Thryleon]

We need to stop thinking of Levi teaching the youngsters.

He's not there to show them anything, he's there to help give them some room to grow.

Not all players are leaders and I would wager that the nominated leader we have in our forwardline is Matthew Wright, and I am more than happy with that scenario.

[LP]

Casboult as we all know is year by year proposition and I very much doubt that he has any real role to play in the coaching of young players, in the same way as you vehemently pointed out some time ago would Lobbe. The youngsters are going currently going through a development process mapped out by the club, playing mainly in the VFL so far, and both Kerr and Harry have not even played alongside Levi that much. Do you think that BB says to them "I'm taking  you both to watch the seniors today and I want you both to watch Levi closely, be in wonder and learn".  )

PS. Beware of trying to interpret what people may or may not be implying - tricky process that.

I don't agree, all senior players are role models, and young players learn playing along side them you cannot deny that!

I have no doubt Lobbe is setting new standards on the training track, which was the context of the earlier discussion, it's what he is globally known for in AFL circles.

[spf]

if I was guessing I think the club will try and recruit a more readymade KP Forward for 2019 to help take the heat off the kids and also win some games as the pressure builds on Bolton and SOS.

I think more Tom McDonald than Tom Lynch, we would have to sell the farm for Lynch - ask yourself; what do we actually need? We think McKay will make it but needs time, then we really need some support and a filler who can be effective elsewhere longer term. Patton from GWS gets mentioned alot, I think he can only really play one position, similarly Boyd from the Dogs. There are Tom McDonald types out there on club lists or in the state leagues that could be effective.

What is the measure of effective? Able to contribute 1 - 2 goals per game? Able to pinch hit in the ruck? Perhaps able to swing back in defence?

[Thryleon]

I think more Tom McDonald than Tom Lynch, we would have to sell the farm for Lynch - ask yourself; what do we actually need? We think McKay will make it but needs time, then we really need some support and a filler who can be effective elsewhere longer term. Patton from GWS gets mentioned alot, I think he can only really play one position, similarly Boyd from the Dogs. There are Tom McDonald types out there on club lists or in the state leagues that could be effective.

What is the measure of effective? Able to contribute 1 - 2 goals per game? Able to pinch hit in the ruck? Perhaps able to swing back in defence?

Its why we are in no hurry to ditch Levi.

He is bad enough for them to go past him the second they are truly 4 quarter competitive prospects at AFL level, but strong enough to draw a couple of players to him and help give the kids some room in our forwardline.

The shame in it, is that no one has gone past him yet.  Even Weitering who is dubbed as able to play forward and back, is thus far proving not to be as effective a forward as Levi.

[Pratty]

If fit and sounds like they will be, I'd be bringing back Kreuzer and Kennedy as a matter of urgency.

Out then are Weitering and Lamb for mine.

FWIW, out two best key defenders for mine are Jones and Alex Silvagni. I'd love to see them play together with an in-form Weitering or Marchbank or O'Shea the intercept third tall.

Re Marchbank, I think he will out grow a spot down back, and become a winger/forward of note.

Re Plowman, this week I wouldn't mind sending either him or Marchbank forward with Charlie Curnow and Casboult.

Re our Backline - I'd have talls in Jones, O'Shea and one of Plowman/Marchbank. More run and carry. I'm not against Paddy Dow running off half-back and/or Polson as a small lock down defender (ala Rory Laird type/style).

Re our Midfield - gotta be more accountable.

re our Forwardline - Charlie Curnow is the leader with Wright. Add Casboult and one of Plowman/Marchbank. Others include Cripps and Murphy ofcourse at times, Kennedy too plus Garlett. I want Garlett to play forward and to HUNT the opposition defenders. Polson if played forward could do this too. Accountable small forwards who tackle and harass to force turnovers. I reckon we are too slow with Lamb and Thomas forward.

Re our skills - simply gotta be better. Not much match committee can so, game plans, etc when you make such critical and fundamental skill errors on a regular basis. Simple as that.

So....

B: Byrne, Jones, O'Shea
Hb: Cuningham, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Fisher, Cripps, E.Curnow
Hf: Plowman, C.Curnow, Murphy
F: Wright, Casboult, Garlett
Foll: Kreuzer, Kennedy
Rov: Petrevski-Seton
I/c: Dow, Thomas, Polson, Mullett