2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

[Shakin77]

As has been pointed out previously, Bolton has had as much time with the list as what Malthouse had. Arguably, he's had a lot more support behind him too.

I call crap.

Malthouse was given a side on the fringes of the top 8.  A kick away from a Prelim 12 month earlier.  It had Judd, Gibbs, Scotland, Murphy, Waite, Betts, Simpson, Henderson, Kruezer and co.  He was allowed to top up with Thomas.

Bolton was given 4-18 side that had palmed off a lot of it's A grade talent.  Had to trade Gibbs and did so for the long term future of the club.  No way would Malthouse would have traded the long term for the short term.

As disappointing as Saturday was it's ridiculous to compare two.

[Barbs]

AFL legends blast ‘deplorable’ skill level

Footy legends Wayne Carey and Paul Roos have taken an axe to the current game, describing what they’ve seen this weekend as a disgrace.

Carey said outside of the rematch between last year’s grand finalists Richmond and Adelaide, the skill level on show had been “deplorable”.

“St Kilda couldn’t hit the side of a barn,” Carey told Triple M.

He also criticised Carlton for missing targets with two metre handballs and dropping chest marks. “Some of the skill level this weekend has not even been at VFL level, below that,” Carey said.

“Players today cannot kick on their opposite foot. A lot of people applaud when they’re running straight at the goal and they’ve got no left foot and they do a checkside and everyone says what a great goal. What a load of crap. He should have kicked it on his left foot.

“That’s what astounds me. These elite, professional players are no good on their opposite side.”

Roos said it was the long-term effect of the increasing amount of time kids were spending doing their homework and playing computer games instead of kicking a footy.

“If you’re a kid now you’re doing half, a third, a quarter — whatever it may be — of the kicking (we did),” Roos said. “When they come into the game at AFL level they haven’t had the background of skill ... it’s a numbers game.”

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/new...ion=Sydney

[kruddler]

I call crap.

Malthouse was given a side on the fringes of the top 8.  A kick away from a Prelim 12 month earlier.  It had Judd, Gibbs, Scotland, Murphy, Waite, Betts, Simpson, Henderson, Kruezer and co.  He was allowed to top up with Thomas.

Bolton was given 4-18 side that had palmed off a lot of it's A grade talent.  Had to trade Gibbs and did so for the long term future of the club.  No way would Malthouse would have traded the long term for the short term.

As disappointing as Saturday was it's ridiculous to compare two.

You can call crap. The points you raised as to why actually had nothing to do with why the comments were made.

I never suggested Mick showed more improvement than Bolton.
I never suggested the list was in a better/worse state before/after Micks tenure.

Simply drawing the comparisons that both were coach for a similar period and the natives start beating their drums when results don't show an incline.
IMO Bolton has had the whole team behind him, whereas Mick was at least partially hamstrung. He wouldn't have had Murphy as captain for one. Since your captain sets the tone for the whole team, its a significant yet often overlooked issue within the club...and that spans back further than Mick as well.

My only issue with Bolton up to this point in time has been his inability to pick a side that can actually win.

Others have been more scathing in regards to Bolton than that.

[flyboy77]

Reality gives you a smack in the face sometimes.  I think too many have been reading fly boys posts and had too large an expectation on this season because they think blokes that have shown a little bit are going to be seasoned performers.  In reality it takes seventy games to show someone's stuff

That's an 'average'. Plenty of players perform vey well indeed well before 70 games...

What was witnessed yesterday was deplorable on many levels - skill, effort, intensity, lack of leadership etc.

If you don't have high expectations - in whatever walk of life - well you aren't going to get far..

I'm happy to chalk yesterday up to an aberration - both by the players and by the coaching staff.

[Shakin77]

You can call crap. The points you raised as to why actually had nothing to do with why the comments were made.

I never suggested Mick showed more improvement than Bolton.
I never suggested the list was in a better/worse state before/after Micks tenure.

Simply drawing the comparisons that both were coach for a similar period and the natives start beating their drums when results don't show an incline.
IMO Bolton has had the whole team behind him, whereas Mick was at least partially hamstrung. He wouldn't have had Murphy as captain for one. Since your captain sets the tone for the whole team, its a significant yet often overlooked issue within the club...and that spans back further than Mick as well.

My only issue with Bolton up to this point in time has been his inability to pick a side that can actually win.

Others have been more scathing in regards to Bolton than that.

So the only comparisons we are making is that they have coach for the same period.  Fair enough.  Makes sense.

Mick was hamstrung?  How?  He didn't get his Captain?  He got everything thing else.  Coaches.  High Performance Team.  Players he wanted.    Hamstrung?  Please.  You are grossly over valuing the role of the Captain.  There are no rules stopping anyone else provding leadership.   

I think you are overrating the guys running around for the Bullants getting beaten most weeks by 8 goals.    No magic solutions there, unless you want to take a backward step like Flyboy and play Graham and Kerridge 

[BluePhantom]

Gotta love the Dogs keeping us off the bottom of the ladder

[IvanAwfulbigone]

Good news everyone!  I won't be needing these ...

[LP]

Anyone watching the Dogs vs Wet Toast game today would have seen a pattern very similar to our own game.

The comments from Leigh Matthews about the Dogs were accordingly ultra-relevant to Carlton. The attacking run without defensive accountability, the frequent sight of three or four Wet Toast forwards goal side of Dogs defenders left floundering up the field after a turnover.

I've never seen a season like this, the tactics are at best junior, the skill sets match it up.

It's the most unaccountable football I have ever viewed at AFL level. Maybe it's good for TV, but it's rubbish to watch at the ground, and pathetic for professionals to dish up!

Is this some AFL version of the AFLW directive?

[flyboy77]

So the only comparisons we are making is that they have coach for the same period.  Fair enough.  Makes sense.

Mick was hamstrung?  How?  He didn't get his Captain?  He got everything thing else.  Coaches.  High Performance Team.  Players he wanted.    Hamstrung?  Please.  You are grossly over valuing the role of the Captain.  There are no rules stopping anyone else provding leadership.   

I think you are overrating the guys running around for the Bullants getting beaten most weeks by 8 goals.    No magic solutions there, unless you want to take a backward step like Flyboy and play Graham and Kerridge

i never mentioned Graham Shakin.

Kerridge was ripping it up when given the chance late last season.....and had better DE than both Smurf and Gibba.

Makes no sense to have Dow running around in the 1s like a headless chook when you know Kerridge will get you 25+ decent possessions.

Dow and Polson need to earn their spots.

Quite frankly, would prefer Sam to Murphy right now.

[PaulP]

AFL legends blast ‘deplorable’ skill level

Footy legends Wayne Carey and Paul Roos have taken an axe to the current game, describing what they’ve seen this weekend as a disgrace.

Carey said outside of the rematch between last year’s grand finalists Richmond and Adelaide, the skill level on show had been “deplorable”.

“St Kilda couldn’t hit the side of a barn,” Carey told Triple M.

He also criticised Carlton for missing targets with two metre handballs and dropping chest marks. “Some of the skill level this weekend has not even been at VFL level, below that,” Carey said.

“Players today cannot kick on their opposite foot. A lot of people applaud when they’re running straight at the goal and they’ve got no left foot and they do a checkside and everyone says what a great goal. What a load of crap. He should have kicked it on his left foot.

“That’s what astounds me. These elite, professional players are no good on their opposite side.”

Roos said it was the long-term effect of the increasing amount of time kids were spending doing their homework and playing computer games instead of kicking a footy.

“If you’re a kid now you’re doing half, a third, a quarter — whatever it may be — of the kicking (we did),” Roos said. “When they come into the game at AFL level they haven’t had the background of skill ... it’s a numbers game.”

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/new...ion=Sydney

I'm sure kids spend less time with the footy than in years gone past. But other factors surely must play a part - rule changes, faster, fitter players, which means the ball carrier executes under greater pressure.........I'm sure there's others.