2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

[Inboltswetrust]

Season was lost as soon as they allowed Marc Murphy to captain the club again. The worst captain in the history of the game.

As I said last year, between him and Gibbs, who is thankfully not at the club anymore, we will never progress. They have a built in loser mentality and simple accept losing as part of their makeup. I would hate to see their win loss ratio from the start of their careers. It would in the vicinity of 33% at best.

We should have traded both at the end of last year. Marc's efforts yesterday were beyond unacceptable and this permeates through the entire club. I would love the match committee to drop both him a Weitering to make a statement to say that irrespective of who you think you are, you are not to get away with that sort of effort.

Both should be dropped for a minimum of 3 weeks to ensure they get it through their heads that if you want to play for the club, there is a minimum standard that is required. Of which Marc has never achieve through his tenure here. Absolute disgrace that he has been allowed to captain for so long. FFFFF****CK!

Does anyone here honestly think Marc commands respect from any of the playing group? I doubt any of the kids think, "gee I want to be like Marc". I dare say a sh*tload of sniggering goes on between them as they reflect on Marc's efforts week in week out.

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2Marc Murphy 16 14 30 7 0 2 1 3 1 0 114

Hardly a bad game.  But I agree, as captain, it is a grub. 

[Thryleon]

I've digested this a little since last night.  This post is going to be a little more glass half empty than not.

1.  Gold Coast might turn out a much better side than anyone thinks they are this year.  They have good key position players in good form and have enough players around the ground that are 100 games or thereabouts to touch us up. 

2.  Sometimes you struggle after a physical match.  Last week against the Tigers was a better effort than we thought we'd give and they hit hard at every opportunity.  Young sides will always struggle.  I've once been told that the hall mark of a good side is how you're opposition rebound next week.  We didn't bounce back well after the reigning premiers.  Fair enough too.

3.  Even our better players had poor days at the office.  That would be one of cripps lesser games as well as most of the guys we rely on most of the time.

4.  we have quite a few underdone players by my estimate.  I'd say we are relying on the likes of O'Shea, Garlett and mullet much earlier than we would have liked and these guys were recruited for insurance over anything else and unfortunately we have needed them early.  That is confirmed by yesterday's match selection and the fact that the team not playing seniors has been touched up two weeks in a row and quite easily.

Now despite the fact that we picked a side that had basically no hope,  and that as soon as the late change was announced I was filled with dread, we played a make shift ruck one of the worst team balances possible and everyone had the fumbles and never played the sort of footy that even looked like winning this game, we somehow got within three goals of the lead halfway through the third quarter.  I'm not sure but I think they paid another soft free kick to gc who got an armchair ride all day to help kill any momentum we had built and that was all she wrote.

I'm going to choose to ignore our selection at this point.  It's not like there was much different we could have gone with and all things considered may vs McKay wouldn't have been much good for McKay's development at this level, and we would have put him in the ruck out of necessity at some point. 

Basically,  I'm keeping my powder dry.  Going with the glass half full approach and appreciating that as crap as weitering has been he needs to play as a third year key position player who can play much better footy than he is currently.

[Lods]

1.  Gold Coast might turn out a much better side than anyone thinks they are this year.  They have good key position players in good form and have enough players around the ground that are 100 games or thereabouts to touch us up. 

I was actually thinking this yesterday...I remember many years back we'd lost a game in the early rounds we were expected to win comfortably. Some of the players made the excuse that the team we played was actually better than most folk thought.
That got a bit of a chuckle but...
That opposition side went on to be right in it at the pointy end of the season.
We'll see how GC go in coming weeks and this result mightn't look so bad in hindsight.

(Still looks pretty bad at the moment!)

[ElwoodBlues1]

1.  Gold Coast might turn out a much better side than anyone thinks they are this year.  They have good key position players in good form and have enough players around the ground that are 100 games or thereabouts to touch us up. 

Could be that GC have improved more than us, see this is the thing all teams can improve including us but its the level of improvement, are we slipping behind even though we think we are improving....

[deags]

I can't say for sure, but if that effort yesterday is improving, we may as well pack up and go to Tassie.
GC were not great. It wasn't that they played us out of the game. Sure, they were better, but not great.
Even if we came out and beat Adelaide next week games like that one yesterday show that we are not improving like we should be.

[cookie2]

Just watching the Dogs v. the Eagles - almost a replay of our game!

[Lods]

1.  Gold Coast might turn out a much better side than anyone thinks they are this year.  They have good key position players in good form and have enough players around the ground that are 100 games or thereabouts to touch us up. 

Could be that GC have improved more than us, see this is the thing all teams can improve including us but its the level of improvement, are we slipping behind even though we think we are improving....

I think that may be where some of us get a bit anxious.
We've been sold this slow rebuild that when it bears fruit will see us with a sustained period of success.
Problem is there are no guarantees....and we'll soon get envious of the sides that shoot past us and wonder why we cant do the same.

[cookie2]

I can't say for sure, but if that effort yesterday is improving, we may as well pack up and go to Tassie.
GC were not great. It wasn't that they played us out of the game. Sure, they were better, but not great.
Even if we came out and beat Adelaide next week games like that one yesterday show that we are not improving like we should be.

Agree. They were clearly too good for us but we were our own worst enemy imo.

[PaulP]

1.  Gold Coast might turn out a much better side than anyone thinks they are this year.  They have good key position players in good form and have enough players around the ground that are 100 games or thereabouts to touch us up. 

Could be that GC have improved more than us, see this is the thing all teams can improve including us but its the level of improvement, are we slipping behind even though we think we are improving....

Ablett and Eade were big distractions for the Suns last season, that sent their season off the rails. Their list is not stellar, but good enough to sneak into finals IMO. No 2 Metre Peter yesterday either. Thank Christ.

[Barbs]

Gold Coast are at best an average team with a standout tall forward. They didn't win, we lost.

Every missed kick, every poor hand pass, every fumble when not under pressure, every missed tackle and every player who didn't push hard both ways was a nail in our own coffin.