2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

[kruddler]

Agree. We noticed Wright especially who seemed to be dragging his arse around. We thought he was injured. He got a little better as the game wore on.

I seem to remember him getting a knock on the leg either early yesterday or last week.

[PaulP]

He has never excelled in man-on-man contests in his limited time as a defender.

Jones' main defensive strengths are having the speed to get to a contest; adjusting to the ball in flight and punching the crap out of it if he can't mark it. 

These strengths are taken away or reduced when our midfield imposes so little pressure that their opponents can deliver the ball to the advantage of their forwards. Pressure in the midfield leads to higher, more erratic kicks, which plays to the advantage of Jones as well as Marchbank and Weitering.

Time will tell whether I've gone too early or not, but the question remains - why is he the last line of defence if that's not his go ?

My concern with Jones is that he's either great or crap - he's either a reborn defender and the talk of the town, or else he gets both undies and pants pulled down by blokes kicking bags on him.

[cookie2]

I seem to remember him getting a knock on the leg either early yesterday or last week.

Ah! Thanks K. He looked well below par for some time. I didn't see the knock and wondered why the hell he'd been selected.

[JonHenry]

Murphy got 30 possessions with no Carlton ruckmen of any sort, and he played 93% game time in the center! :o

What are you smoking?

He was garbage today.
His kicking has gone backwards at a great rate.
His physical presence is as always non existent.

Oh and I didn’t see that white line fever you claim Weitering has?

[flyboy77]

He was garbage today.
His kicking has gone backwards at a great rate.
His physical presence is as always non existent.

x10.

He's stopped kicking through the ball. He's a liability presently, quite frankly.

I don't think there was a greater turnover merchant than Smurf yesterday.

Maybe tired being a new Dad?

[deags]

Further to Lods's comment on Jones... it isn't that he is too loose... he is showing horrendous judgment of when to go at the ball and when to defend his opponent. He is getting it completely wrong, and has had his pants pulled down in his last 3 games.

That element of judgment is why he ended up on the scrap heap originally... if he keeps going like this he will be back there again pretty quick.

I wonder if he really is, or if part of it is that when we've Docherty had down back, there is more organisation, and someone to cover Jones's man when he goes attacking the ball.
They highlighted one particular moment yesterday on the telecast where  Lynch was left in the pocket on his Pat Malone. Initially they were grilling Jones for leaving him, but when they camera angle was changed, he went forward to attack as there were 2 uncovered blokes forward, and no one dropped back onto Lynch when he did so.

[LP]

I wonder if he really is, or if part of it is that when we've Docherty had down back, there is more organisation, and someone to cover Jones's man when he goes attacking the ball.

They highlighted one particular moment yesterday on the telecast where  Lynch was left in the pocket on his Pat Malone. Initially they were grilling Jones for leaving him, but when they camera angle was changed, he went forward to attack as there were 2 uncovered blokes forward, and no one dropped back onto Lynch when he did so.

Finally someone else noticing the truth about what is happening all over the ground!

We've got players who have lost the balance between attack and defence, Paul Roos highlighted it, Bolton admitted it and it hasn't yet been corrected.

Smarter kids like Weitering and SoJ do not have the experience to deal with this situation, they have the footy smarts and see what is happening and drop their heads because they get disheartened. Older heads like Daisy, Ed. Curnow, Plowman and Murphy keep plugging away, but fans pot them when with the football they try some miracle disposal to make up for all their out of position team-mates.

The real bad eggs are the guys who are doing the turnovers without being under pressure, the guys who are pushing forward like lunatics then efficiently handing the ball back to the opposition from a clear unpressurised disposal, then burning team-mates by pointing fingers at the blokes around them who are left to clean up the mess outnumbered and out of position exactly as Deag described.

I'm not expecting every player to be 100% efficient, but if you roll the dice you have to press equally hard both ways and only a handful of our list do it. Blokes like Daisy, Murphy and Ed.Curnow work the hardest workers, they are not the ones you want to be highlighting. You need to start looking at the names that seem to be missing from the chain of play, not the ones who are deeply involved in it!

Another problem we have, we have too many players who let opponents jog past without any pressure, when you contest with someone win or lose that opponent shouldn't be free to join the next contest unhindered. If you can't get to the next contest take them out with you, harass them at every opportunity and hinder their progress!

We've way too many of those finger pointers, who run like cut snakes forward and then jog backwards after missing a target, some of them are quite senior and it's not the ones necessarily getting all the supporter attention. A couple of them keep getting pats on the back for "good games", off the back of when they dramatically get back and help in only 1 or 2 out of every 5 cases, the fans ignore the times they decide not to help!

[LP]

We've got a bunch of blokes struggling to keep their AFL careers afloat(boat anchors), we've seen this and we've surrounded them with the talented kids to try and save them, all that is really happening is that the kids are being dragged under with the boat anchors! Half our supporter base sees this happening and blames the kid for not being a good enough swimmer!

[Micky0]

Finally someone else noticing the truth about what is happening all over the ground!

We've got players who have lost the balance between attack and defence, Paul Roos highlighted it, Bolton admitted it and it hasn't yet been corrected.

Smarter kids like Weitering and SoJ do not have the experience to deal with this situation, they have the footy smarts and see what is happening and drop their heads because they get disheartened. Older heads like Daisy, Ed. Curnow, Plowman and Murphy keep plugging away, but fans pot them when with the football they try some miracle disposal to make up for all their out of position team-mates.

The real bad eggs are the guys who are doing the turnovers without being under pressure, the guys who are pushing forward like lunatics then efficiently handing the ball back to the opposition from a clear unpressurised disposal, then burning team-mates by pointing fingers at the blokes around them who are left to clean up the mess outnumbered and out of position exactly as Deag described.

I'm not expecting every player to be 100% efficient, but if you roll the dice you have to press equally hard both ways and only a handful of our list do it. Blokes like Daisy, Murphy and Ed.Curnow work the hardest workers, they are not the ones you want to be highlighting. You need to start looking at the names that seem to be missing from the chain of play, not the ones who are deeply involved in it!

Another problem we have, we have too many players who let opponents jog past without any pressure, when you contest with someone win or lose that opponent shouldn't be free to join the next contest unhindered. If you can't get to the next contest take them out with you, harass them at every opportunity and hinder their progress!

We've way too many of those finger pointers, who run like cut snakes forward and then jog backwards after missing a target, some of them are quite senior and it's not the ones necessarily getting all the supporter attention. A couple of them keep getting pats on the back for "good games", off the back of when they dramatically get back and help in only 1 or 2 out of every 5 cases, the fans ignore the times they decide not to help!

We've got a bunch of blokes struggling to keep their AFL careers afloat(boat anchors), we've seen this and we've surrounded them with the talented kids to try and save them, all that is really happening is that the kids are being dragged under with the boats anchors! Half our supporter base sees this happening and blames the kid for not being a good enough swimmer!

Who are you taking about? Simo and who else?

[JonHenry]

I'm not expecting every player to be 100% efficient, but if you roll the dice you have to press equally hard both ways and only a handful of our list do it. Blokes like Daisy, Murphy and Ed.Curnow work the hardest

So Murphy is in the top three hardest workers?
Seriously, that is BS.