JLT 2018 - Carlton v Hawthorn (Sat 10th Feb)

[LP]

Our tall forwards haven't really fired a shot so far, Casboult played well but as a ruck option. Probably the most effective tall forward has been Cripps.

[LoveNavy]

Watching the reply I'm impressed with Bam Bam. He goes in hard and had some strong repeat efforts. He also copped a sneaky high hit from Burgoyne (1.11) q2. I have great respect for him, but that was a lowly shot. Knocked young Matty off his feet good n proper. Perhaps 9 is the new 15 sniper :-\

Great game Bam Bam

[Tragic]

Watching the reply I'm impressed with Bam Bam. He goes in and had some strong repeat efforts. He also copped a sneaky high hit from Burgoyne (1.11) q2. I have great respect for him, but that was a lowly shot. Knocked young Matty off his feet good n proper. Perhaps 9 is the new 15 sniper :-\

Great game Bam Bam

Spot on about Kennedy.  Bam Bam is a perfect nickname for him.  He goes in hard.  He might not get as many cheap kicks as Gibbs, but when the contested ball is there to be won I know who I'd rather have.  He just smashes in, and takes a few down with him.  Even if he doesn't always get a possie, the fewer times the opposition can waltz out of a contest unopposed the better our team will go. 

P.S. not taking a pot shot at Gibbs, I reckon he's a very smart player, he's just not an animal around the ball.  I still remember a game a few years ago against Adelaide, and at every stoppage Rory Sloane practically threw himself at every ball, and Gibbs stood waiting on the edge for a crumb.  Sloane wasn't so highly rated back then, but I think he was on the verge of becoming a gun.  I could see that was the type of player I wished we had.  Now with Cripper & Bam Bam we have some toughness around the ball, and I think Dow will become a Sloane type player once he gets fitter and stronger.  We've got plenty of crumbers and outside players to replace the outside play side of Gibbs' game, such as Fisher (who is fast becoming my favourite mozzie),  Murph (who just cruised a little in the JLT, and fair enough for a bloke in his umpteenth season - although not exactly what we might have wanted from the captain of a team that was desperate to win both JLT games), and with a little bit of luck it'd be nice to see O'Brien become a player (he's a better runner, and a better kick than Gibbs, but he obviously has a long way to go to earn the number 4 on his back).  And then there's Garlett too. 

If you listen to the comments of SOS & Bolts, the plan was never to replace Gibbs like for like, it was to spread his value across a deeper midfield, and Bam Bam is one of those key components. From what I've seen so far, he's a bit of an animal, and I like that.

[cookie2]

Yes Kennedy was impressive - he's got "TOUGH" written all over his face in capitals.

[LP]

If your statement is true, then something changed from 2011 to 2013-14, because in 2011 the Pies lost 2 games, kicked nearly 2600 points for, and a 167.66%. That's off the charts, and shows he wasn't all defence. I loved watching the Pies that season. Credit where it's due.

Yet after 2010 they didn't win a flag, and Malthouse got the kibosh in 2012!

Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas, Luke Ball, Dayne Beams, Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw, Leon Davis, Steele Sidebottom were all at the top of their game, supported by Didak, Brown, Krakour and Jolly. It wasn't a bad list!

They probably should have won 2011 and 2012 as well, it not unreasonable to think the ridiculously heavy workload game plan was the reason they didn't!

[PaulP]

Yet after 2010 they didn't win a flag, and Malthouse got the kibosh in 2012!

Dane Swan, Scott Pendlebury, Dale Thomas, Luke Ball, Dayne Beams, Travis Cloke, Heath Shaw, Leon Davis, Steele Sidebottom were all at the top of their game, supported by Didak, Brown, Krakour and Jolly. It wasn't a bad list!

They probably should have won 2011 and 2012 as well, it not unreasonable to think the ridiculously heavy workload game plan was the reason they didn't!

Malthouse didn't coach anywhere in 2012 - he finished up at the Pies at the end of 2011.

I think the Pies lost the 2011 GF partly because Mick had a bad hair day in the coaches box, and partly because of all the emotions regarding the handover to Buckley. I doubt it had anything to do with the players being tired.

[madbluboy]

Malthouse's last game for Collingwood was the 2011 grandfinal.

[LP]

The AFL coaching premiership average is roughly 4 flags from 500 games, Malthouse got 3 flags from over 700!

Sometimes stats can be deceptive, I doubt it applies in this case!

[mateinone]

The AFL coaching premiership average is roughly 4 flags from 500 games, Malthouse got 3 flags from over 700!

Sometimes stats can be deceptive, I doubt it applies in this case!

Wait where is that based on?
How many coaches have coached for 500 games and how many coaches have won 4 flags?

That seems a strange stat that needs more info

[LP]

Wait where is that based on?
How many coaches have coached for 500 games and how many coaches have won 4 flags?

That seems a strange stat that needs more info

It's not a strange stat it is just a stat, for coaches with around 500 AFL/VFL games or more the average is 4 flags, it's is a stat without bias or subjectivity.

Like there is only one coach to make it to 300 Home and Away games without a flag!

AFL Coaches Tables

Prior to that last Pies flag, MM had one of the worst coaching averages in AFL/VFL history for a premiership coach with so many games under his belt!