JLT 2018: Carlton vs St Kilda at Ikon on Wednesday

[kruddler]

We played the conditions better than the saints.

We did have home ground advantage to assist in this though.

...and its JLT.

[northernblue]

St Kilda kicked appallingly, straighten that up and I think they would’ve won.
I liked our endeavor and increased tempo, bring on the real stuff !

[jeza]

When i say that i'm not talking simple about height and weight.

I've got no doubt that taking Weitering was the right thing to do.
But as an example in regards to the difference between U18s and AFL.
First game i saw of Bryce Gibbs was when he playing for SA. 3/4 time the commentators were pumping him up. Bryce has had 30 possessions, kicked 3(?) goals and is now going to have a rest at CHB.
Bryce Gibbs is a gun player, best we could've taken at that pick and despite being one of the youngest drafted, was still beating up on kids. An AFL CHB option he clearly is not.
Paul Bower was AA CHB in U18's.

Whatever they were before is irrelevent. How they perform at AFL level is what matters now.

Jones, Marchbank and Plowman are simply performing better than Weitering has been in defence.

Why are people trying to paint this as something other than that.

You know what, Lockett, Ablett and Dunstall didn't make the AA teams every year because you can't fit them all in the side at once. That doesn't diminish their talent!

Errrr.... weitering hasn't played a game yet.

[kruddler]

Errrr.... weitering hasn't played a game yet.

Last year knucklehead

[jeza]

Peter Ryan has an article in today’s Age in which he analyses St Kilda’s options for “taking the next step”.  He effectively dismisses their loss to us with the statement:

Yes, we did adapt quickly and our defenders playing several metres in front of their opponents in the first quarter led to many intercept possessions and forward thrusts.

It is true that the Saints outscored us - by five points - but that has little meaning when you are trying to make up a 27 point deficit.  The fact that we outscored them in the last quarter - against the wind - is pertinent.

I’m not really sure that they “controlled plenty of play” either.  They certainly strung together some good passages of play, and we did get a couple of goals against the flow, but I reckon we were more in control.

I guess it’s a reasonable article but why dismiss what was well planned and well executed victory?

"Forget the result" says Peter Ryan - I'd accept that if they'd played their kids or threw them around positionally. But they didn't - and they really wanted to win. They seemed to throw everything at that game and had their first choice midfield in the middle for the bulk of the game. We seemed to be putting time into some experimental centre square setups with Cripps often absent - and we had 2 fewer players!

"Forget the result"... I'm sure Richardson won't be.

They got beaten by a team that was pulling away (against the wind).

[jeza]

Last year knucklehead

Carrying injuries no?

[kruddler]

Carrying injuries no?

Wasn't han solo there.

[Thryleon]

"Forget the result" says Peter Ryan - I'd accept that if they'd played their kids or threw them around positionally. But they didn't - and they really wanted to win. They seemed to throw everything at that game and had their first choice midfield in the middle for the bulk of the game. We seemed to be putting time into some experimental centre square setups with Cripps often absent - and we had 2 fewer players!

"Forget the result"... I'm sure Richardson won't be.

They got beaten by a team that was pulling away (against the wind).

Not quite.

I noticed jack Steven spent most of the first half as a forward.  He went into the guts after half time and had a big impact which coincided with our fade out.

It's jlt.  We are a young side probably in going as well as it will go for most of the year and our kids are still getting the hang of it.  I estimate we'd be at our "best" for 2018 now, whilst the more mature sides might be training harder now, and might also be going through the motions a little on game day until "the real stuff" starts.

[LP]

Big kid, picking on smaller kids. AFL level is a different kettle of fish.

When i say that i'm not talking simple about height and weight.

I don't think I need to debate that one, you've put it quite succinctly! ;D

He's played forward and done ok a couple times....and gone completely missing other times.

He may well turn out to be better than Harry up forward, but he is not great on the lead, isn't as good of a contested mark and doesn't have the same kinda aggression as Harry does.

Firstly, that'll be a couple of more times than Harry so far, but I'm not going to get drawn into a debate about who is the best forward because that is just you trying to justify your comments that there is no spot for Weitering, which is just a completely ludicrous statement!

Claiming Weitering is not as good of a contested mark, that's just a sign of desperation or deflection!

I've got more question marks over Harry than i do over Weiters, but if both lived up to their potential as a forward, i can't see Weiters being better than Harry. Of course, living up to the potential is the key. Plenty don't.

We had first pick in the 2015 national draft, don't take offence Kruddler but I think I'll trust SOS and Bolts on this one they have a pretty reasonable track record going on as far as recruitment is concerned, and they took Weitering ahead of both Harry and Charlie. That's a hell of a tell!

[Baggers]

"Forget the result" says Peter Ryan - I'd accept that if they'd played their kids or threw them around positionally. But they didn't - and they really wanted to win. They seemed to throw everything at that game and had their first choice midfield in the middle for the bulk of the game. We seemed to be putting time into some experimental centre square setups with Cripps often absent - and we had 2 fewer players!

"Forget the result"... I'm sure Richardson won't be.

They got beaten by a team that was pulling away (against the wind).

Well said.

I don't buy the 'it's only JLT' stuff. Yes, sides might experiment a little here and there but they all want to win. Plus there's only 2 matches this year so sides really want to hit the ground running for the season proper.

In the same game last year the Aints beat us by almost 100 pts, that's after the D's also gave us an almighty thrashing at Casey Fields.

The win had genuine merit. The Aints threw everything at us after half-time and I suspect they fully expected win/over run us. But we held our nerve, absorbed their surge and went on to win. Yes, we jumped them but we protected that 3-4 goal jump for the game.